Why is the Democratic Party against the only person who could save them?

[Mystical]

*bold by me

People don't idealize Bernie because there is no way to pay for his ideas that is plausible. I voted for him and I would vote for him again, but the Democratic establishment is hanging by a thread against a Republican voting bloc that votes staunchly along party lines. The evangelicals voted for the Russian connected pussy grabber because he would put a conservative in the SCOTUS. Liberals listened to the Russians on Facebook and vilified a perfectly reasonable, if flawed centrist policy wonk and turned her into a "money grabbing" witch.

Splitting the vote means more GOP. Their vote isn't going to split. While liberals and progressives fight over who once voted for a war or against a bill or took money from an investor and how evil their candidate is---and this will happen no matter who the Democrats' nominee is---the GOP will line up and vote for whoever their candidate is, and we will lose.

Talk about cookie cutter.. no, nevermind. I'll assume you've gone Here before, and await your response as to what part you don't consider plausible ?
Also just out of curiousity who do u consider to be Bernies friends in high places comparable to every other shitheel in politics?

Bernie is the single most effective politician in Senate or Congress. Why is he treated like gatbage?! Additionally why is the Democratic Party so goddamned thick, they'll throw away provressives like during the election, and opt for a quid pro quo with republicans where they wI'll always be perpetual losers,  in exchange for a little piece of the pie??? Get money out of politics and everyone will be on equal footing! 




https://youtu.be/ZmPsX2tNV1Y

Because they are bought pieces of shit.. Hell the only likable person in politics anymore they continue to shame the guy.
The point here is there is no two party system there is only republicans on both sides. The quid pro quo is the reason why our country is
shit and people go to jail (failed drug war pretty much). We as individual citizens hate the people on top and they realize that why else now is the democratic party fractured beyond repair.
They cheated the only guy who could have done something to fix our country rather than lie and smile to us. The thing here is they don't want a progressive in power
because it is bad for them it messes with the business as usual bullshit they have going on. We don't live in a democracy we are an oligarchy we are a democratic nation 
by name only in practice heeelll no.

we need a living wage
healthcare is a right not privilege
college should be free  
people with drug problems and mental problems do need care
wars need to end
investing in our country needs to happen
green energy needs to happen now rather than later

The problem now is the democratic party is nothing worth unifying under it's not worth anyone's time same goes for the  republicans.
We need a overhaul of the electoral system so that we as united states citizens can vote someone in we like rather than get a repeat of last years election.

Bold/smiley by me. 

I disagree that the Democratic party is lost. For the first time I see Democrats acting independently aNd together, taking perrogative, and working towards many small goals that wI'll add up to a big win. Finally, instead of having one big head at the top with all the responsibility and none of the follow through ability--Democrats are taking things,into their own hands. 
I also don't think the Republican party is all as together as Steel thinks. Literally a froG would've won the election, had it run against Trump instead of Hillary. People knew Trump is an inept idit bad for America. A lot of them did know. And they would've voted Democrat if there was a decent alternative to Trump. And now that they get to see first hand the suffering Republicans can enact upon this Nation (they've been doing it for years since Obama got elected just to blame it on Obama).. I think a good portion of the sane Republicans out there would vote third party or Democrat if given the choice again of another Trump. Mitt Romney scared the hell out of me, tbh. Let's just hope the Republicans only have the same list of badgers they came up with last election. Those guys have zero chance against a progressive.

It is also the problem. Dismissing his point because of semantics is not very convincing.

It is a problem, it is not the problem.

I would love to see it changed, but if the system can be gamed, both sides can do it.

And I don't believe a complete lack of understanding of what an electorate is qualifies as semantics.

Bernie is the single most effective politician in Senate or Congress. Why is he treated like gatbage?! Additionally why is the Democratic Party so goddamned thick, they'll throw away provressives like during the election, and opt for a quid pro quo with republicans where they wI'll always be perpetual losers,  in exchange for a little piece of the pie??? Get money out of politics and everyone will be on equal footing! 

https://youtu.be/ZmPsX2tNV1Y

For one thing, he's not a Democrat. He was an independent before his presidential campaign, became a Democrat for purposes of running a campaign with a chance of winning, and returned to being an independent when it was over. From the point of view of Democrats who worked in the party for decades, the only thing he accomplished last year was to get Trump elected. I don't see why their point of view would be so mysterious.

Considering their main political message with Obama was "Change" and nothing..changed? Yeah I am a bit bewildered why they didn't and still don't understand wtf people are wanting. 

Like, perhaps, avoiding the two major parties until they present worthy candidates?

This would be perfectly rosy nice if the reality were that no more than ~1% of the electorate would do it.

But the GOP exists and their voters are loyal. So avoid the Democratic Party and we'll just hand the keys over.

We've been trading keys for years, making deals with the devil every election. "If I get this you get that" rattatat tat. Also I know numerous GOPers who identified Trump as insane and didn't want him president. Intead of quid pro quo insanity, they chose inaction or the alternative--unknown insanity. 

Well, now we know. And we are all sorry.

Okay so from what I've read thus far. Money in politics is a problem but not the problem. 
Party politics is a problem but not the problem. 
Electoral college is a problem, but not the problem. 
Voter education (or lack thereof) and wagon loyalty voting is a problem but not the problem.

So.. what's the problem?

The way I see it, Capitalism is the problem. We have a capitalist based economy where wealth is being hoarded and collected, then arranged and used to arbitrarily benefit those born into wealth. 
The top 1% want politics to align with their agendas, and they have the money to make it happen. 
All the while promoting this lie that material success indictates moral success. 

The supposition that Anyone can succeed in a capitalist system is a lie. A fairytale told to the most naive--usually the poorest of this country, not unlike how Religion is pumped into our veins. Good old fashioned "Catholic guilt" and the belief that failure monetarily means personal failure as a necessity. Which is rich  because Capitalism arranges a system to prevent personal gain of a social class size. An unwinnable game of life aided in no small part by the government that has its tendrils wrapped around every single facet of business, because those already succeeding benefit from having a poorer class working for them. And upsetting such a balance is private enemy #1.

What's the answer here? Dismantle capitalism, of course! Hear me out. Before u call me names. 
I don't and never have studied communism or socialism or even politics--this is just common sense. 
Move gradually (Bernie went too fast apparently) towards an equitable socialist system like Australia has. How? Begin with a minimum guaranteed income. Start there, at the immediate issues beseiging the poor, that the rich benefit from in inflicting upon them. Start from the bottom up. Not trickle down--they tried trickle down in Kansas and it decimated the state! Someone even wrote a book about it.

http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/54666.What_s_the_Matter_with_Kansas_How_Conservatives_Won_the_Heart_of_America
The New York Times bestseller, praised as "hilariously funny . . . the only way to understand why so many Americans have decided to vote against their own economic and political interests" (Molly Ivins)


Do you know what poor people do when they get money? They spend it. Rich people? The opposite. Simple as that. So give poor people the money they need to live and they will live, and so too will our economy. Give them a chance to work and keep working--and they will, and so too will the economy.

Next, restore basic workers rights, which have been systemically dismantled thanks to the lobbying plague we call Wal Mart--since the good ol Union days. And provide some medical care so they can keep working, which in itself is a job creator machine because our human bodies are break-down machines.. --wait hold on:

we need a living wage
healthcare is a right not privilege
college should be free  
people with drug problems and mental problems do need care 
wars need to end 
investing in our country needs to happen 
green energy needs to happen now rather than later

This.
It is a good start. And happens to be Bernie Sanders' Platform. 
A platform that, btw, he raised $200 million dollars for from low income contributors. So I do have hope that in future we may just be able to overcome this money in politics nonsense. Bernie jus tried to clean out a hoarders house full-hog in one day, and the hoarders were definitely not ready to let go of their belongings. 

One district at a time, we can change the tide, just like it was flipped as it was one district at a time. And this : http://www.politico.com/story/2016/06/be...sts-223964
Is our greatest weapon. 

In summation

see above

Yes I am quite confused about why establishment Democrats don't understand that they're here for the people, not the other way around, and why they refuse to encorporate Bernie into their party platform just out of survival instinct. 

Additional reading:

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Imagine what a doubled salary can do for a single mother of two. I can only think of my sister as an example so here we go. She made 9.75/hr doing phlebotomy during college, with two children. After $300 in (subsidized) rent for a 1bd in which she slept on a cot so the kids had a room, $150 utilities, $250 car payment, $200 car insurance (abouts), $40 for phone, what does she have left for school books, food, childcare, gas money, child supplies, and necessities? Nothing. She's in the hole. Throughout school she got food stamps. Not much, but enough for the kids to eat healthy and for her to afford a big bag of Ramen Noodles for the month. Childcare was provided, but I gotta tell you the moldy questionable places we looked at were just horrendous and the sanity of the providers questionable. Luckily church childcare was semi decent. But thats.. well, forced indoctrination for services is a trade off, isn't it? We see it throughout the world.. 'decent services' from tax exempt churches in exchange for lifelong fidelity and access to your personal life and choices. It's no coincidence that the majority of Republicans nowadays are Christian. They're given their standing orders directly or off hand, from the pulpit and reinforced socially. 

Maybe if the home childcare people got a base pay salary double what they were gettng from the state paying for the childcare, they could afford to provide themselves and their working homes some mold treatments and better living situations and the money from government would go to American workers and not tax exempt organizations. I have observed that WIC (women and children in crisis) program was cancelled from medicaid and privatized to churches in Wichita, which is the cooking pot of Republican social experiments. Afer cutting all but a couple Planned Parenthood clinics, they cut WIC out of Medicaid. So yeah. When I graduated high school that year there were 20 some odd 6th gradars at the same middle school, pregnant. I grew up in a small mainly Baptist town which happened to be the central meeting point for KKK way back in the day.  
So single mother uneducated about contraception has a baby, can't feed said baby? Sure yeah go to the church which makes you watch videos on spiritual morality and shaming, in exchange for diapers and WIC stamps to pay for formula or milk and cereal. Because god knows you don't have time to feed your baby breastmilk, working 3-4 jobs just to stay off the street! *please note this is Kansas. And these are the same policies being put in motion on the federal level by Trump.

What if mother gets a speeding ticket on the way from being held late at work with no overtime pay to pick up her child from daycare? A ticket she can't pay, then more tickets for not paying that ticket then her license revoked then sent to work release jail and her child to fostercare.. Without mental healthcare support I'm sure a bottle of wine or some white powder of forgetfulness looks mighty enticing at that point. The point of no return that that woman never had an iota of a chance to escape.

What happens when a mother gets sick with flu because she can't afford a flu shot and her child attends a cesspool of germs for a daycare? She can't win--either she gets fired for missing work, or gets fired when her child inevitably needs to go to the doctor she can't pay for. 
Ever sat there with a suffering, feverish baby in your arms.. conflicted about whether they are sick enough to go to the ER? Whether you'd lose your job if the daycare wouldn't take your child next day, as sick as they are? Whether you even have any money to buy some Pediatric tylenol over the counter, much less the copay and prescription cost if you did take your baby in? Whether you even deserve the child in your arms, whom you cannot take care of, protect, or live without??

If at this point you think I'm appealing to emotions--I am. We are emotional beings, under great amounts of stress. Every single night, even tonight, there are countless parents in this kunundrum. Ignoring who we are at a basic level, and our need to care for ourselves and our loved ones, is folly.

As a follow up to this story--my sister did graduate college, with a BSN in Nursing, and is understudy to be a Nurse anesthetist. She just bought a home, is remarried, and a healthy contributor to society tenfold that which she cost to get to her success. 

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[Mister Agenda]

Like, perhaps, avoiding the two major parties until they present worthy candidates?

That might work if we avoided one of the parties, because they will change to 'get back' votes that they don't see themselves as being able to win without. If we avoid both equally, we maintain the status quo until an independent or a third party can challenge them. That's a really long game.

I tend to vote independent and 3rd party, but I live in a state that's so predictably Republican that I feel I have that luxury. Clinton lost by 10 points in SC and Johnson got less than 3 points. My vote helped a 3rd Party gain increased ballot access without helping or hurting one of the major party candidates. I'm sympathetic to a pox on both their houses. But the contrast has become far more stark than it used to be...the DNC may represent the status quo, but the GOP is sliding downhill fast.

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For one thing, he's not a Democrat. He was an independent before his presidential campaign, became a Democrat for purposes of running a campaign with a chance of winning, and returned to being an independent when it was over. From the point of view of Democrats who worked in the party for decades, the only thing he accomplished last year was to get Trump elected. I don't see why their point of view would be so mysterious.

Considering their main political message with Obama was "Change" and nothing..changed? Yeah I am a bit bewildered why they didn't and still don't understand wtf people are wanting. 

Who the people elected in the primaries is usually considered a good clue about wtf people are wanting. Bernie lost the primaries by 3 million votes and did worse in states with open primaries. I can't see through whatever crystal ball people are using to maintain that he would have won the election despite being unable to win the primaries.

[Thumpalumpacus]

Fair points in your reply, MrA.

[dyresand]

The thing here is i seen justice democrats they do have have some power but at the same time.. i found out not to long ago that they have big money donor interests behind the scenes.
So this worries me in the fact that even if they do primary corporatists out of power and insert their own people they helped get in office don't turn and fall for the money like the old democrats. This is why integrity matters more now in this day and age rather than wealth. If they do manage to succeed which i hope they do i hope they can at least they can stay no to the people who are essentially going to bribe them with money for their own agenda. Because let's be honest there is a good bit of democrats who are useless to the party and who are essentially not better than Republicans you can just throw the damn blue dogs under the bus. Joe Manchin is no democrat if seen what voted for and supported he is no better same with Pelosi except in her case she is idiot and can't even form a coherent sentence.

In a general since i'll speak my mind for a moment. let's not attack each other over politics because if you really think about it. No party want's unity they want people to be distracted with 2 choices in the end
which are complete bullshit looking at the previous election. Look at how far we have come not a lot people voted people sat home we need as people need to unite not under one two parties but under a person who has
a clear view for our future as whole. We won't get the choice until we start fighting for that choice so we need to as people fight for progressive ideas that help us which in turn ironically help the people on top.
This is why i hate democratic party and their race baiting lately and i hate the republican party pushing religion as their core idea for getting votes we as the nation are globalists we get hurt because of it we fight wars overseas
and waste money because of it. We need someone who is a nationalists not to a extreme point but one that can actually help us out at home we need help and we need badly.