So, the first minute or so lays out the groundwork, that Bernie has a tremendous volume of work.....but I'm not sure that's actually what people are talking about when they say that Bernia couldn;t "get stuff done"..nor do I see why his volume of work would demonstrate that he could.

As to the content of that volume..well, it looks nice on paper, but he passed all that shit and -this- country is what we have regardless?  So, does that show that he can get things done..or that even when he does get a bill amended it doesn't matter much? I think that the general pulse, in that comment, is that the establishment of government itself is probably too massive to be changed in the ways that bernie supporters or bernie himself might advocate for. It actively resists change, and it;s ability to resist change is greater than bernies ability to effect it.

That he, and his movement got coopted.....pretty much case in point.

Bottom line is, until we abandon this idea that we only have two choices ... we'll only have two choices. And they're both bought and paid-for.

(May 31, 2017 at 8:43 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: Bottom line is, until we abandon this idea that we only have two choices ... we'll only have two choices. And they're both bought and paid-for.

Given the amount of voter blaming that happened after this election, I'd say we have a ways to go for that.

This election wasn't that hard.  All you had to do was watch the republican "debates".  No fucking way should have been your first thought..  Followed closely by fucking shitballs.  Fuck, even that alt-right christian foreskin-loving murdering xenophobe from Portland saw through Trumps bullshitery during the election.  He's like an idiot savant among idiots.

Because he is not owned by Wall Street. I did not agree with most of his stances. But I bet the government would become much more transparent under his leadership.

Because, on the whole, humans are fucking stupid.

In my opinion, the DNC has no unified message, and they have too many subgroups trying to push their message. The extreme left is a major turn off to centrists, but also classical liberals. Even now, with Trump in power, they have no message except that he's a bad man, but offer no alternative or ideas. They are the party of resistance, but give nothing beyond that. They are not really doing anything to bring them to their side, at least in my opinion. Personally I think their only strategy is obstructing MAGA.

We have black power groups taking over college campuses demanding segration, and that whites must leave, and that all white people are racist. This is not going to unite anyone, and if anything the extremism will destroy the DNC into a thousand fragments that will only unite the other side even further. It's almost like the more they do, the more it backfires because as people get desperate, they act irrational.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERd-2HvCOHI

I'd like to see us get some form of single payer in the future, but you know Jeb Trump ain't signing that. I didn't particularly like Hillary but I voted for her because. she was obviously better. I suspect a lot of the people that voted for him didn't watch the pubbie debates and don't follow poilitcs (at least with real facts) closesly.

Scoobz, resisting things like privatizing public infrastructure or getting rid of net neutrality should help bring people to the Democrats side if they care about such things.

Their message is a message of unity..ofc they have many subgroups pushing it?  Though, I;m pretty sure that having many subgroups pushing your message is pretty much the status quo on both sides of the aisle....which party -doesn't- this describe?

The rest, meh, yadda yadda extreme left, maga, black power attack!  It's like they build you people in a factory........

(May 29, 2017 at 4:05 am)Luckie Wrote: Bernie is the single most effective politician in Senate or Congress. Why is he treated like gatbage?! Additionally why is the Democratic Party so goddamned thick, they'll throw away provressives like during the election, and opt for a quid pro quo with republicans where they wI'll always be perpetual losers,  in exchange for a little piece of the pie??? Get money out of politics and everyone will be on equal footing! 




https://youtu.be/ZmPsX2tNV1Y

Because they are bought pieces of shit.. Hell the only likable person in politics anymore they continue to shame the guy.
The point here is there is no two party system there is only republicans on both sides. The quid pro quo is the reason why our country is
shit and people go to jail (failed drug war pretty much). We as individual citizens hate the people on top and they realize that why else now is the democratic party fractured beyond repair.
They cheated the only guy who could have done something to fix our country rather than lie and smile to us. The thing here is they don't want a progressive in power
because it is bad for them it messes with the business as usual bullshit they have going on. We don't live in a democracy we are an oligarchy we are a democratic nation 
by name only in practice heeelll no.

we need a living wage
healthcare is a right not privilege
college should be free
people with drug problems and mental problems do need care
wars need to end
investing in our country needs to happen
green energy needs to happen now rather than later

The problem now is the democratic party is nothing worth unifying under it's not worth anyone's time same goes for the republicans.
We need a overhaul of the electoral system so that we as united states citizens can vote someone in we like rather than get a repeat of last years election.