Christianity and Suicide

[Succubus]

I'm really sorry to hear of your circumstances...

But you couldn't leave it at that? You are one sad contemptible bastard, and no mistake.

[Jesster]

Most of us have already heard it all.



It's funny how you can take this attitude with other religions, but you can't seem to understand when others take the exact same attitude with yours.

 Mine is the genuine thing with the real living God, all others are not. God said there are no other gods outside of Me. Being the creator He would know.

GC

Yeah, that's what they say too. Everyone claims their religion is the real deal and all of the others are false. Have you ever tried to see things from our perspective? Why should I believe you over the others who call your religion trash?

It's like you have your mental blinders up and you are unable to see anything you haven't already accepted.

[Astonished]

Oh, sorry to pull on your strings. Be happy! I am.
I'm not ashamed of my situation, I love my life. Every day is a "blessing". I live to love, and I love to live. If only I could live more. I'd still have the same goals now as I did before my illness came to a head. It halted my life in terms of regularity, but I have lived many lives since then happy to report.

I want to help people. I want to spread love and goodness in this world. I'm here at these forums because I've come to know many people here that are more down to earth than most people I've come across during my entire lifetime! It's fantastic. I love meeting different people of differing beliefs. I do not, however, put up with biblical apologists nor will I allow someone so out of touch with life judge me.

Anyone who pulls out the destitution card is a pathetic apologist who needs to get off their asses and go see some of the real world. I suggest volunteering for the WHO or Red Cross if they truly hold themselves accountable to their beliefs. Go tell that skeleton baby with a vulture behind it, that this is all gods plan and that Jesus loves him. Or just spend a day at the VA, or at a homeless shelter. Child's canicer unit. Anything, really. Tossing money in a collection basket and considering your duty fulfilled is monkeys work.

When I was at work with my mom where she cared for a 17yr old who has the mind of a toddler and the body of someone with dystonia. Daily seizures, if he got excited or upset or just for no reason.. seizures. Regularly needs his spit sucked from his chin, which is perpetually raw from a lifetime of such. He had a seizure. He hates them so much, and I can't blame him. But mom just held him, and wiped his vomit and cradled him like a baby.. and she said oh honey it's okay it's okay Jesus loves you as he just shook his head no no no in response, with tears running down his face. I don't fault her or anyone for trying to comfort someone with love,wherever it may be coming from. But I think his reaction speaks for itself. And her love is precious. Even to this day, albeit she's in a lesbian relationshup to the best partner I've ever seen her with--she still quotes Jesus and believes in the bible and heaven. Not so much hell, but I'm not going to be the one to unsolicited knock on her beliefs like these Christians come here specifically to do to us.

If her belief makes her happy, so be it. My non belief has set me free and I've lost so many complexes I can hardly contain my excitement! I'm free to love freely, and there's nothing on this earth, more precious than that.

I love that you can have that outlook and proclaim it so confidently. I haven't endured that much by comparison but (and I am not so naive that I don't realize it comes out rather frequently and easily) it's made me very bitter and I don't generally enjoy life very much because I don't have a very easy time seeing the good. I wish I had the kind of strength you do. But then I see parents leading kids down the same path I nearly got led down if a few more bad turns had let certain folk be more present in my early life than they otherwise did...it shatters all the potential good I can see beyond them.

Even better, you can say it to every theist who thinks they've got the right idea about how we do feel, or should feel, when things aren't their brightest. Let it snap their necks with how fiercely it shocks them to hear that they're dead wrong. And be proud everything didn't make you feel so weak and worthless that you had to turn to an imaginary friend just to survive or feel better. Every supposedly inspirational story from the faithful I've ever heard combined can't hold a candle to that.

[Lek]

I hear you. I've got no more to say andI wish you the best.

[Wyrd of Gawd]

Well I am quite happy to make a decision to love, because I really like that. But a little reciprocation and communication ain't such a bad thing either.

You're asking God to reveal himself to you, but you're only willing to accept the answer that you think it should be.  It's like me introducing myself to you and saying "hi, I'm Lek and this is what I look like" and you say "no, you're not Lek because you shouldn't look like that."  I don't think it's about whether or not God loves you, but rather you just don't believe or don't want to believe in him.

The God of the Bible = the God of the Hebrews and the God of the armies.  Since I'm not a Hebrew or in their army why should I believe in their God?

[Godscreated]

 Mine is the genuine thing with the real living God, all others are not. God said there are no other gods outside of Me. Being the creator He would know.

GC

Yeah, that's what they say too. Everyone claims their religion is the real deal and all of the others are false. Have you ever tried to see things from our perspective? Why should I believe you over the others who call your religion trash?

It's like you have your mental blinders up and you are unable to see anything you haven't already accepted.

I see things far clearer than you can imagine, I don't wear blinders. I understand you do not believe, but just because you do not believe doesn't make the only God not real. none of the other so called gods have ever tried to contact me, the God of creation and salvation brought me into a belief of Him and the proved himself to me. I'm not at fault for your disbelief nor is God, he's given you the choice between Him and yourself, the same as He did with Adam and Eve. My Christian walk has change over the years somethings I was dead set on I'm no longer holding on to them, it's a growth process that takes a life time and more, just as life in human relationships. The difference is that I can have this relationship for eternity.

GC

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So is GC godschild? I'm confused. Answer forthcoming but if I've had this convo with you before I know your answer already and it's pointless to converse with someone unwilling to accept the worst parts of their religion because.. feelings.

One and the same Luckie. I've not changed and why should I, I know the truth and it has set me free.

GC

[Jesster]

Yeah, that's what they say too. Everyone claims their religion is the real deal and all of the others are false. Have you ever tried to see things from our perspective? Why should I believe you over the others who call your religion trash?

It's like you have your mental blinders up and you are unable to see anything you haven't already accepted.

I see things far clearer than you can imagine, I don't wear blinders. I understand you do not believe, but just because you do not believe doesn't make the only God not real. none of the other so called gods have ever tried to contact me, the God of creation and salvation brought me into a belief of Him and the proved himself to me. I'm not at fault for your disbelief nor is God, he's given you the choice between Him and yourself, the same as He did with Adam and Eve. My Christian walk has change over the years somethings I was dead set on I'm no longer holding on to them, it's a growth process that takes a life time and more, just as life in human relationships. The difference is that I can have this relationship for eternity.

GC

I understand that there could exist things that I do not yet believe in. Until I have a good reason to believe in them, though, I am not going to. Your confidence level alone is not a good enough reason. People of other religions are as confident in their beliefs, if not more so, than you. Why should I believe your claims over theirs?

Are you understanding my position yet? So far you are just repeating the fact that you are confident in your beliefs. That's not going to do it for me. I'm very open minded, but I need more than that to go on before my mind will be changed. I'm also not trying to persuade you out of your beliefs at all, because I don't care at all what you happen to believe. I'm just wondering why you're putting so much effort into trying to persuade others without anything solid to actually give them. God has never shown up to give me any real reason to believe, despite my many years of devout belief, so maybe you can do something where he has not. I'm all ears.

[Mister Agenda]

There is no specific prohibition against suicide in the Bible.

[Silver]

I see things far clearer than you can imagine, I don't wear blinders. I understand you do not believe, but just because you do not believe doesn't make the only God not real. none of the other so called gods have ever tried to contact me, the God of creation and salvation brought me into a belief of Him and the proved himself to me. I'm not at fault for your disbelief nor is God, he's given you the choice between Him and yourself, the same as He did with Adam and Eve. My Christian walk has change over the years somethings I was dead set on I'm no longer holding on to them, it's a growth process that takes a life time and more, just as life in human relationships. The difference is that I can have this relationship for eternity.

This sort of religious self-delusion seriously needs to end. All religious people need to seek professional help to better reconcile themselves with reality.

[Mister Agenda]

Most of us have already heard it all.



It's funny how you can take this attitude with other religions, but you can't seem to understand when others take the exact same attitude with yours.

 Mine is the genuine thing with the real living God, all others are not. God said there are no other gods outside of Me. Being the creator He would know.

GC

God seems a little inconsistent on that point. God demoted the other gods to mortality in Psalms 82 for being unjust.