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RE: A question about original sin.
July 26, 2011 at 1:49 pm
(July 26, 2011 at 1:30 pm)Rhythm Wrote: That's just the problem CRod, I have nothing to say to that post. You seem to believe it made some sort of sense, but it did not. Are you arguing for a feeling (I feel like taking a shit in my neighbors lawn, but the universe was not created by a giant turd)? Arguing that the bible is true because it is old (I've got some links to cave paintings showing man in flight, with bird wings..must have happened, it's really old)? Or are you just griping against excess and wasteful consumerism (as though christianity were some sort of counter-point to this)?
If you buried a valid point about god or the nature of belief in that jumble it's lost on me.
(You managed to do it again in your edit with the time it took me to write this post) You must understand, you responded to three separate points. Feeling point, yes but to us humans i think it serves some importance. Now that comparison is absurd, it a writing and the writers wanted you to believe. And if you are to understand Jesus if you so choose he said obey the commandments, give away all your possessions, and spread the Word. Now we are still humans and desire materialism, for some reason(could you help me understand this point), but Jesus teachings are very different then how we live. He said the body is weak but the spirit is willing, not preaching i think that Jesus said this justifies the above point. Now reason against what is written long ago with what us fallible humans represent.
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RE: A question about original sin.
July 26, 2011 at 1:55 pm
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(July 25, 2011 at 10:35 pm)Epimethean Wrote: My issue is that no one book gets it all right and the bible has so much that either never was right or is no longer applicable in modern society; clinging to it is a playbook for bad practice. Never "All right" in what way? Your bollocks conclusion that it's about scientific knowledge - sure. 100% agree. As correct as has been humanly possible on purpose and function... without question. One book as authority on the subject of Christianity.. yep again.
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RE: A question about original sin.
July 26, 2011 at 1:59 pm
(This post was last modified: July 26, 2011 at 2:00 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
Jesus was foretelling the very imminent end of the world. What good would earthly possessions serve? He wasn't railing against consumerism, he was telling people that going to work was pointless, because the end was nigh, the veil of tears would soon be lifted. How does this address my criticism of your arguments btw?
I contend that point 1, wishing for a thing as a measure of truth is absurd.
point 2, older=more truthful......you're obviously not irish.
point 3, The choice between wasteful consumerism or christianity as a pillar of your personal faith is false dichotomy.
In short, the whole post was nonsense..which is exactly what I said in the first place.
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RE: A question about original sin.
July 26, 2011 at 10:10 pm
(July 26, 2011 at 1:55 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: (July 25, 2011 at 10:35 pm)Epimethean Wrote: My issue is that no one book gets it all right and the bible has so much that either never was right or is no longer applicable in modern society; clinging to it is a playbook for bad practice. Never "All right" in what way? Your bollocks conclusion that it's about scientific knowledge - sure. 100% agree. As correct as has been humanly possible on purpose and function... without question. One book as authority on the subject of Christianity.. yep again.
Fr0d, here's my contention: If in an information driven era you only depend for major guidance on one hideously outdated text, you may as well be extinct, because your ideology will be so limited as to render anything you believe (oop-that word) automatically obsolete.
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RE: A question about original sin.
July 26, 2011 at 10:42 pm
Quote:Jesus was foretelling the very imminent end of the world.
Looks as if the godboy fucked that one up.
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RE: A question about original sin.
July 26, 2011 at 11:15 pm
(July 26, 2011 at 10:42 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Quote:Jesus was foretelling the very imminent end of the world.
Looks as if the godboy fucked that one up.
Min, you have to "interpret" time differently for godboy: It could be tomorrow or ten thousand years. We cannot know, though for some stupid reason, we are expected to care.
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RE: A question about original sin.
July 27, 2011 at 9:43 am
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You know, speaking of time, of all the things laboriously mention in the account of genesis, time isn't one of them. Sure, days and nights, ways of describing the passage of time, but time itself, curiously absent. Mostly because the people who perpetuated these stories had a very fuzzy concept of time itself. Did it need creating? They don't seem to be certain, since there is always a "time before time" in their cosmology.
(Not many koalas in genesis either, wonder why that is)
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RE: A question about original sin.
July 27, 2011 at 12:46 pm
(July 26, 2011 at 10:42 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Quote:Jesus was foretelling the very imminent end of the world.
Looks as if the godboy fucked that one up.
Why would you think a godboy who manage to get himself nailed like a insect specimen to a piece of timber would manage to get anything else right?
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RE: A question about original sin.
July 27, 2011 at 1:57 pm
(July 26, 2011 at 10:10 pm)Epimethean Wrote: Fr0d, here's my contention: If in an information driven era you only depend for major guidance on one hideously outdated text, you may as well be extinct, because your ideology will be so limited as to render anything you believe (oop-that word) automatically obsolete. Your ignorance is beyond (that word again) belief.
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RE: A question about original sin.
July 27, 2011 at 1:59 pm
(July 27, 2011 at 1:57 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: (July 26, 2011 at 10:10 pm)Epimethean Wrote: Fr0d, here's my contention: If in an information driven era you only depend for major guidance on one hideously outdated text, you may as well be extinct, because your ideology will be so limited as to render anything you believe (oop-that word) automatically obsolete. Your ignorance is beyond (that word again) belief.
You believe the bible, so nothing should be beyond your belief.
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