I lost my Soul

[Brian37]

"Soul" is a superstitious word and is the same ilk as "spirit" and even the new age watered down version "aura". 

You don't have to say shit about your pet deity. You still however think yours is the only real one, and also fall to see that superstition leads humans to falsely believe in an "other power".

OMG you are really genuinely L.D. retarded... because even after I explained to you this has nothing to do with God I never mentioned God, you can't help yourself but putting God into your straw man argument and assign it to me!

Of course feelings have nothing to do with the soul because there is no such thing. Just like talking to Santa won't put presents under the tree even if the thought of such triggers endorphins.

Ahhh, no. Not according to psychology today and a few others:


 http://www.huffingtonpost.com/cate-monta...12150.html
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articl.../soul.aspx#!
http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/bioc...e-says-yes 
Maybe you oughta R-E-A-D a little before you just assume your opinion is what your precious science is telling you to think.

That said, nothing I've said upto this point had anything to do with the soul's origins. That was you creating a strawman

"feelings" and I hate to burst your bubble, are not a result of a cosmic sky wizard vs a ground troll or a "soul" or a "spirit". "Feelings" are quite natural and have never been caused by the super natural. 

And this is your inability to learn to acknowledge what is written on page. My definition of the soul has been defined more by science than God. Again check out one of the three references I gave, or google it for yourself. Learn to seek out what is being said on page learn to identify a message's topic and try and not ascribe a topic to the author. That is what being open minded is al about. Rather than seeing my sun flower and thinking how is Drich fitting God into this.. How stupid do you look to your peers when you repeatedly accuse me of doing something I have no part in?

Don't hand me any bullshit that you think God has nothing to do with the outcome of humans if you believe in him.

WFT are you talking about? I said the dude should eat ice cream at a buffet till he is ready to puke, or seek professional help... And no God does not seek to help people just because they believe. God invests in people/not everyone as most of you can correctly claim.

You do or you don't. If you do believe God is good and can help me, then stand by your argument and defend it.

Help you what? paint your house? learn to read? When I needed help like that I was sent to day labor and painted a dozen houses over 2 summers and now I know how to paint a house. Learn to Read I was introduced to a guy who kept all his comic books (silver age stuff) I first learned to take in all the pictures and try and figure out what was going on, then I pounded out phonetically every word and kept repeating the phrase till i got it or the sentence matched what was going on, on page. then I started to buy my own books, then I started in on the bible. That is how God helped me. Gave me opportunity. never one did he sprinkle magic God dust over a problem and it went away.

I don't think however this has to do with evidence on your part, but merely another dodge to avoid accepting you have no evidence.

WTF are you talking about? I gave you 3 pages to confirm 'science's acceptance on the soul... where is your proof now?

If my depression has nothing to do with selling your God , GREAT. It would be nice to think, but I don't believe you. I do however believe that if I were not as educated as I am now, and a newbie you'd try to pick me off and sell me a utopia to cure me.

Take my first post here and tell me where I am selling anything besides a trip to the golden corral. That is why you fail.

Does God intervene or not? If he does according to you, why would he need a mere fallible mortal to act as his PR department? 

No He invests. He doesn't need a PR department if you would simply read the bible before you speak or assume anything about God.

No don't and me crap, you DO believe your God is a cure for humanity's ills otherwise why believe it?

understand this is the 2nd or 3rd post to you specifically telling you God was never apart of my answer to the OP. You being a self admitted retard has dyslexieda all over what I wrote. and has changed EVERYTHING I said to fit a God narrative of your own creation. Again never once mention God in anything I wrote, that is what makes you a retard. Because all of your responses are centered around God.

Maybe you want to ask me why God did not help you with your depression?

Because again God invests in people.

You are a 'cracked' pot (head) and God can't pour or have you keep anything till you address what is broken with in you.. Like for instance what had you keep coming back to God when speaking with me.

I don't need your fucking help or a fictional God's help. 

Do you need help from Allah or Vishnu when you feel down? 

Get a clue Drippy, our species was around long before your magic baby story, long before even any written religion or nation.

My problems are due to nature and life experiences and brain chemistry, not a man in white robe vs a guy in a red leotard.

If you want to believe that an old book of mythology has real powers to affect your life, and you want to believe it badly enough you will. But you are not going to sell that crap to me. 

You might as well be trying to convince me if I just believed in "The Force" or Harry Potter, my depression will go away.

[Drich]

"Self righteous" is what the God of Abraham is as a character the way he is written, "Look at me look at me, I need constant attention, I will throw a fit if you don't at a minimum kiss my ass 1 day a week."

Book Chapter and verse?? Not talking OT (as they did not have church they were commanded to rest/sleep not even walk but a short distance) Or do you not understand the difference between God found in the bible and traditional religious practices that mean nothing???

What kind of insecure brat needs 7 billion friends? What kind of insecure bully needs to threaten revenge if you don't kiss his ass?

Or what kind of Father would allow his children to be threaten and beaten unto death by the children of the enemy (not all belong to God sport)
without eternally seperating His kids from the evil ones if He could do so.

Now here is where you stupidly will accuse the atheist of bigotry, when all it is is blasphemy. No different than if we both went to the same movie, you liked it, and I thought it sucked. 

uh... no. who are you even speaking to? are you chanelling your father or something... try and stay on page and don't let you imagination read for you.

Do you even care to understand how life worked even in polytheism back then? Even in polytheism, humans were widely ruled by local tribal royal families. You had your ruling class, governing class and warrior class and then subjects at the bottom. Unless you were part of the top of that society, you pretty much obeyed anyone above you. 

Yeah... kinda spent 22 years studing "what went on back then." So yeah I have a mild intrest.

Even in polytheism, the mortality rate was far higher back then, so loyalty to your local ruler was far more of a demand to protect the survival of the local society.

 So? Maybe your understanding of how God works is wrong. Maybe Death is not a bad thing to the God of the bible, even if it is a punishment to your version of God. Why are we even talking about your version of God if we know He does not exist?

The tropes of the rulers success or failure or conquests were attributed to the divine world. Humans stupidly attributed their tribe's success to an authoritarian figure who had the blessings of entitlement of the divine world.

says someone who has never been in a place of certain death unless God did indeed step up.

Your God character is not real,

No, no.. You can only say your version of God is not real, you have yet to even accuratly identify the attributes of the God I worship and met. A God willing to greet anyone who were to seek Him on His terms.

it is nothing more than a human projection reflecting the ruling family societies everyone lived under back then.

And for me who grew up without either?

There is no difference between the "divine entitlement" of the surrounding and prior polytheism and your monotheism, other than the number of deities believed in.

citation please.

Yahweh the name was STOLEN by the splinter sect Hebrews, from Canaanite polytheism, in which Yahweh was a lesser god under the head GOD El as part of a divine family. The Hebrews did not magically find the right god, they simply concocted a new religion by elevating an old character from polytheism and vilified all the other deities and successfully marketed it.

Here's a neat little blow your arguement out of the water tid-bit. Yahweh is not the Hebrew deity's name. that is an approximation. as the hebrews never recorded His full name they always left out the vowels so in hebrew you have the letters YHWH, which corresponds to a YHWH found in Egyptian texts as well. which egypt was the genesis of the nation of israel
http://jacksonsnyder.com/arc/2010/name-y...-egypt.htm

The Jesus character and NT writers were doing no different. They incorporated the Jewish religion and concocted a hero character to draw people away from the old religion.

very simple which makes it plausible. the problem.. why did Jesus take when so many other fasle prophets who were also martyred did not take?

It still reflects a authoritarian family type ruler because that is what humans lived under back then. The God of Abraham is an authoritarian, not an elected official that can be removed from office like we have in the west today.

No it reflects a theocracy with out want or need.

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I don't need your fucking help or a fictional God's help. 

Do you need help from Allah or Vishnu when you feel down? 

Get a clue Drippy, our species was around long before your magic baby story, long before even any written religion or nation.

you got to be trolling me at this point.... I NEVER MENTIONED GOD AS A CURE
WTF are you talking about??

My problems are due to nature and life experiences and brain chemistry, not a man in white robe vs a guy in a red leotard.

If you want to believe that an old book of mythology has real powers to affect your life, and you want to believe it badly enough you will. But you are not going to sell that crap to me. 

you got to be trolling me at this point.... I NEVER MENTIONED GOD AS A CURE
WTF are you talking about??

You might as well be trying to convince me if I just believed in "The Force" or Harry Potter, my depression will go away.

you got to be trolling me at this point.... I NEVER MENTIONED GOD AS A CURE
WTF are you talking about??

[Brian37]

Trying to prove a naked assertion with more naked assertions does not work. The owners of this website would make a mint if they charged you for every naked assertion you made.

I could give a shit less what you claim your God did, I am not treating you any differently than if you were claiming Allah or Buddha. That was then, this is now. It was understandable back then that people bought and sold all sorts of religions and deities back then. But humanity has progressed far beyond the ignorance of antiquity.

There is no divine world or magic invisible super hero pulling our strings.

[Astreja]

Are you in a position to tell me what terms I can and can not use? what are you a Fascist? Tolerance for everyone, unless they disagree in any way shape for form. then it 'STUFF'

Tolerance?  You don't seem to be very tolerant of nonbelievers.

Drich, let me spell this out for you and explain why your approach is counterproductive to your cause:  If you aren't a medical professional in a subspecialty qualified to assess mental capacity, then all you're doing is co-opting medical terminology to sling insults at people because they do not agree with your worldview.

In that context, you are an excellent reason to not become a Christian.  I don't see a gentle spirit or life in abundance in you -- just yet another self-righteous ninny who thinks he has an inviolable right to act like a preachy and presumptuous turd because he's "saved" and thereby above mortal reproach.

[Brian37]

Are you in a position to tell me what terms I can and can not use? what are you a Fascist? Tolerance for everyone, unless they disagree in any way shape for form. then it 'STUFF'

Tolerance?  You don't seem to be very tolerant of nonbelievers.

Drich, let me spell this out for you and explain why your approach is counterproductive to your cause:  If you aren't a medical professional in a subspecialty qualified to assess mental capacity, then all you're doing is co-opting medical terminology to sling insults at people because they do not agree with your worldview.

In that context, you are an excellent reason to not become a Christian.  I don't see a gentle spirit or life in abundance in you -- just yet another self-righteous ninny who thinks he has an inviolable right to act like a preachy and presumptuous turd because he's "saved" and thereby above mortal reproach.

He also probably stupidly thinks because of my blasphemy of his book and the characters in it that if given the chance I would barbecue his kittens. No, I simply think he is full of shit.

I do know humans worldwide are all capable of compassion and non violence, I simply do not see that ability as coming from mythology, superstition or invisible beings.

His God does not explain my condition anymore than any other. Only my genes, life experiences, neurology and brain chemistry explain it. 

It simply frustrates him that he cant shoehorn his invisible friend into this topic. But nobody is singling him out. My attitude would be the same if you offered me any other religion as an explanation to my condition.

[Whateverist]

So is "being a xtian" just an act?

 Why would you ask me such a question? If this person is a Christian he is being deceitful in his attempt to convenience atheists to consider Christianity. Being deceitful goes against what the scriptures teach us about how to witness. If this person believes he is right in what he says he isn't a Christian, you'll have to decide what he is. For me either way he is a hoax.

GC

Yes, you're right; he was a hoax.  It was shown that this particular poster is a fraud who merely copied an online apologist stratagem either with the hope of fooling the godless or else on a lark.  So your disdain for him has been shown to be warranted.

I was reacting to the idea of there being a particular way a Christian -as such- must conduct themselves.  I would hope that xtians, like everyone else, are able to go through stages where they might act in ways they later regret.  Sometimes we must go through phases in order to check off some roads as "not for me".  Perhaps I read the part where you said "no way to act" as focused too exclusively on conduct over being?:

Actually if he were to be a Christian I just might get a bit upset with him for such a poor expression of what the Bible says. That is definitely no way for a Christian to act.

Naturally you're free to do as you like but I think sometimes you guys hold yourselves to too high a standard.  Conducting oneself in prescribed ways in order to attain a reward in another place and time just seems so dehumanizing to me.  It makes me sad to think of you doing as you think god has told you in order to curry His favor.  Surely there are better ways to be Christians?

[Lek]

I didn't read all 106 replies, but I just want to say to Gone Guy that if you are so concerned about committing the unforgivable sin, then you didn't commit it.  Someone who had wouldn't be at all concerned because he or she would have no belief to be concerned about.  If you care then God is still alive in you.  So if you are truly concerned about committing the unforgivable sin, go back to Jesus who is waiting to take you back.

[Cyberman]

Dead wrong. My explanation stands.

On crutches.

[Succubus]

 I have no idea what you are referring to, come back when you can make some good sense.

GC

I am referring to, the output of a random bullshit generator is indistinguishable from your missives.

[Brian37]

Dead wrong. My explanation stands.

On crutches.

To be fair, all religions worldwide stand on crutches. They are all merely artificial constructs humans buy and sell to set up social order and to explain why good and bad happen. 

Unfortunately humans will call you a bigot when all you are saying is "That was then, this is now". Nobody worldwide in antiquity had benefit of the knowledge we do now, so they made answers up. Most humans even today, just like back then, buy into the religions their parents sell them. Religion is not universal in the context one size fits all nor is it a good way of conducting political diplomacy, either nationally or globally when you consider all the competing religions and even competing sub sects of those respective umbrella labels. 

Humans evolved to be social, but outside astronauts the vast majority of humans do not understand, say like Sagan did, that we are all the same, and we all have the same ultimate roots and that this is the only home we have, and that we are not as different as we paint ourselves to be as a species.