Trump's ultimate revenge.

[Tiberius]

part of me is hoping that she will have another go

Oh please no.

[Brian37]

You know...it wasn;t..for all of us, a matter o "all or nothing" - more like "something, anything, other than them".  It's pointless to pretend that either candidate was just a few points shy of ideological purity, and that those who chose not to vote for them were just being stubborn.

Trump is the president because enough people in enough places voted for him.  That's on them - not on people who didn't vote for him, or who failed to vote for you preferred candidate.  Dems don;t need new blood, ideally they;'d get more than that.  New blood with the same platform could only produce marginally better results - it would only sway those who agreed with hillary entirely but for some reason didn't vote for -her-.

How many people do you think that is?  In any case, I don;t really know that theres a -need-..as  such.  Judging by the popular vote, you could run Hillary or Bernie again with a fair expectation of victory.  Trump was a glitch in math, and he;s been eroding the glitch that propelled him to victory pretty much since it happened...so?

Yes we do. If Hillary wins, all they have to do is shout E-Mails or Bengazi. If Bernie wins that will make Hillary supporters sit out. 

I do agree that key states matter, but that division still played a factor.

[Fireball]

part of me is hoping that she will have another go

Oh please no.

Right. I voted for Hilary while holding my nose. The dems have a little time to djinn up a decent candidate and get that person in the running. Maybe this time they'll have their shit together, but I'm with you about Hilary. And I didn't see enough to like with the indies.

[Minimalist]

It's happened before.

http://www.270towin.com/1912_Election/

1912 Presidential Election

[Brian37]

Oh please no.

Right. I voted for Hilary while holding my nose. The dems have a little time to djinn up a decent candidate and get that person in the running. Maybe this time they'll have their shit together, but I'm with you about Hilary. And I didn't see enough to like with the indies.

I voted for Bernie in the Primaries but no, I was not holding my nose even with Hillary. My only problem with her was she was not camera smooth like Obama, but I most certainly liked her policies. Hillary was a bit too stiff like Romney was and Gore was, but as far as her goals I was 100% for her.

Again, the only reason I don't want her to run again, isn't because I don't like her, I do. I don't want her to run again because of the baggage, undue baggage, but still baggage. I think if either Bernie or Hillary had won instead of 45 we would be in great shape now.

But putting either in, is far too much of a risk.

[The Grand Nudger]

Yes we do. If Hillary wins, all they have to do is shout E-Mails or Bengazi. If Bernie wins that will make Hillary supporters sit out. 

If Hillary won, they could shout Bengazi till their throats were hoarse and she wouldn't give a shit - nor would it matter.  She's kind of a stone cold baller, steady doing shit.  

I do agree that key states matter, but that division still played a factor.

Not really, and what makes that obvious is that Trump won with those key states despite a division that didn't favor him.  Our system can be gamed...and while it;s nice to think that something more "serious" or "important" than games matter - if a system -can- be gamed...then nothing else matters.  It will be gamed and whoever games it will win. Maybe you guys should put the work in to do what the trumpsters did? That;s alot more feasible than somehow pulling a 180 on party and reps to draw in people like me, who see the dems and republicans as two products on offer by the same brand.

[Minimalist]

Hillary is a policy wonk in a country which has the attention span of a 12 year old and wants to be entertained all the time.  The country has the mentality of a junior high English class.

[vorlon13]

part of me is hoping that she will have another go

Oh please no.

I'd like to think as Shattered continues to percolate through the national continuum of 'right thinking people', a consensus will arise that Hillary's organizational skills are inadequate for even being in charge of a church picnic, let alone a presidential campaign or, saints preserve us, a presidential administration.


What the FUCK is Anthony Weiner doing with the coleslaw ?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

[Anomalocaris]

.....(even, Hillary, if she decides to have another go) will coast to victory......

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.....

[Crossless2.0]

Oh please no.

I'd like to think as Shattered continues to percolate through the national continuum of 'right thinking people', a consensus will arise that Hillary's organizational skills are inadequate for even being in charge of a church picnic, let alone a presidential campaign or, saints preserve us, a presidential administration.

I'm most of the way through Shattered, and it does depict a Category 5 cluster-fuck. I'm in no mood for giving Hillary yet another chance to get her shit together in 2020. She's had two bites at that apple and lost, despite being the prohibitive favorite both times.