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RE: Leftists Purging History or Al Queda in America
August 17, 2017 at 10:47 am
And thank you for proving my point about your Manichean view of history, Brian.
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RE: Leftists Purging History or Al Queda in America
August 17, 2017 at 1:54 pm
Rev Rye, quite a few people who installed those statues are quite alive. Many of the statues are less than 40 years old.
Ref: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017...tory-trump
In short, your position on the statues is defective due to the fact that a majority of these statues were put up during contentious anti-Black, anti-Civil Rights events well past the end of the Civil War.
How can you tell? The recent toppling of one statue took only a tug and it bent into a pretzel. Low quality bronze from statues produced at cheap, cheap prices from Northern factories to sell to Confederate sympathizes.
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RE: Leftists Purging History or Al Queda in America
August 17, 2017 at 1:59 pm
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Furthermore, respect doesn't mean you let the enemy keep terrorizing their victims. Nor does it mean "allow your enemy to build effective shrines to the leaders who waged violent war against you."
To carry on your advocacy to an individual level, it seems the closest equivalent is stating the local rapist should be allowed to threaten his victims after spending time in prison. After all, he did his time, right? Right? Seriously, please let me know where you stand on this. We have restraining orders for that kind of shit and we don't allow that. Neither should we allow praise of a definitively evil regime (Confederacy) on taxpayer property.
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RE: Leftists Purging History or Al Queda in America
August 17, 2017 at 2:11 pm
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(August 16, 2017 at 11:30 pm)Tres Leches Wrote: (August 16, 2017 at 2:18 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: Martin Luther King was a plagiarizer and adulterer. Perhaps we shouldn't venerate intellectual piracy and sexual immorality either.
Bold is mine.
omg, you are parroting what the white supremacists say. At least you've fully identified to everyone here exactly who you are now. For shame.
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I don't see how Neo's quote indicates that he is a white supremacist. He's making a point about taking down any statue of historical significance. You may disagree with that, but this does not make him a white supremacist.
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RE: Leftists Purging History or Al Queda in America
August 17, 2017 at 2:19 pm
(August 17, 2017 at 2:11 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: (August 16, 2017 at 11:30 pm)Tres Leches Wrote: Bold is mine.
omg, you are parroting what the white supremacists say. At least you've fully identified to everyone here exactly who you are now. For shame.
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I don't see how Neo's quote indicates that he is a white supremacist. He's making a point about taking down any statue of historical significance. You my disagree with that, but this does not make him a white supremacist.
She didn't say he's a white supremacist. She said he was saying the same things they say.
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RE: Leftists Purging History or Al Queda in America
August 17, 2017 at 2:25 pm
(August 17, 2017 at 2:19 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote: (August 17, 2017 at 2:11 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I don't see how Neo's quote indicates that he is a white supremacist. He's making a point about taking down any statue of historical significance. You my disagree with that, but this does not make him a white supremacist.
She didn't say he's a white supremacist. She said he was saying the same things they say.
I figured she insinuated as much when she followed up with "now we know who you really are". Having the same opinion about historic statues as those supremacists did, does not make the person a supremacist themselves, or a sympathizer of white supremacy. But if that's not what she meant, then my apologies.
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly."
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RE: Leftists Purging History or Al Queda in America
August 17, 2017 at 2:32 pm
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Sympathizers often couch their positions in obfuscation. Denied. Our boy there, not only finding himself consistently against minorities in any given issue as one of The Usual Suspects, responded to the -faintest- (and probably unintentional) implication that he might just be a racist dirtball, by lobbing off the MLK was a shitty person defense...of confederate statues. It's like we're playing racist bingo.......
So, if you had to guess....what kind of person consistently finds themselves saying things that racists say?
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RE: Leftists Purging History or Al Queda in America
August 17, 2017 at 2:48 pm
(August 17, 2017 at 1:54 pm)Moros Synackaon Wrote: Rev Rye, quite a few people who installed those statues are quite alive. Many of the statues are less than 40 years old.
Ref: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017...tory-trump
In short, your position on the statues is defective due to the fact that a majority of these statues were put up during contentious anti-Black, anti-Civil Rights events well past the end of the Civil War.
How can you tell? The recent toppling of one statue took only a tug and it bent into a pretzel. Low quality bronze from statues produced at cheap, cheap prices from Northern factories to sell to Confederate sympathizes.
I was a bit surprised the thing crumpled so easily. I guess that's why.
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RE: Leftists Purging History or Al Queda in America
August 17, 2017 at 2:59 pm
Quote:How can you tell? The recent toppling of one statue took only a tug and it bent into a pretzel. Low quality bronze from statues produced at cheap, cheap prices from Northern factories to sell to Confederate sympathizes.
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RE: Leftists Purging History or Al Queda in America
August 17, 2017 at 3:20 pm
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(August 17, 2017 at 2:11 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I don't see how Neo's quote indicates that he is a white supremacist. He's making a point about taking down any statue of historical significance. You may disagree with that, but this does not make him a white supremacist.
It's about context. MLK was not campaigning for adultery. R.E. Lee was leading armies defending chatteldom; that was the notable achievement of his life. Not every context, and not every personage, is equally good. Germany has exactly zero statues of Hitler, but somehow they manage to remember their own history. How's that work?
You want historical significance? Put these statues in a museum ... and provide context for those who are otherwise deaf to it. Why are conservatives so afraid of museums?
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