A question about original sin.

[Statler Waldorf]

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It is roughly estimated that over 105 billion people have lived and died since man first started walking this planet.
If you do the math of geographical location, parental upbringing, jesus' late entrance into human history, and the sheer fact that most people didn't even know who the fuck JC even was--- the number comes to somewhere roughly between 96 and 98 billion that were sent to hell ... more than half of which never even had a chance because they had no idea your fictional godboy even existed. But you'll find some ludicrous way around that won't you.

Or just make up some unprovable claim like you just made above:
"... the concept of original sin is completely just;"

Oh!? it is just?! O well, thanks for clearing that up for me. I say there is no possible way it could be just, but since YOU said it is completely just - than certainly it must be. Despite all the massive amounts of evidence to the contrary.

O that's right. I forgot ... "JUST" as defined by Statler's special dictionary and god's special rules.


O and by the way, several of your brothers-in-christ (Bob Jones comes to mind) claim to have died and gone to heaven and even paid witness to the 98% fact I was telling you about. Your own people admit that only the uber-elite are going to heaven. Basically your god committed genocide when he created the human race when he actively, wantonly condemned nearly everyone to eternal damnation.

Your religion is utter stupidity and you, the self-proclaimed sheep, kissing the ass of a self-absorbed dictator who could never come close to loving you as much as he loves himself!

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Why such hostility? I see no need for it myself. It's not a matter of evidence, it's a matter of logic. You keep treating God like he is a person, why would you even bother doing this? I just don't understand where you get your concept of justice.

[The Grand Nudger]

What a tired old horse.

[Statler Waldorf]

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First can I point out, again, that you are a moron. I know I say this virtually every time I engage in conversation with you, but I firmly believe that saying it over and over enough times will make me right. In fact, everyone I drive to insanity by the nonsensical and frequently insulting nature of my posts just proves my point by not being able to come up with a reply.

>Adam was mankind's representative so when he sinned we all sinned.
Like that makes sense!? We didn't even exist. Germany was at war with the US, but there were individual citizens who were not at war with the US, and they weren't punished for being in Germany. Not that it would make sense even if your example did hold up - the US doing something doesn't necessarily make it a sensible thing to do.

Why was Adam mankind's representative anyway? Dad =/= representative.

>God gives all some form of grace, so the original ruling was rather lenient thanks to Christ’s work for us.
How gracious is a god that advocates stoning the members of one's family to death if they misbehave (note: being raped is misbehaving, sorry ladies), sacrificing the first born of all your animals (and another one in place of your own), drowning people who do bad stuff, cursing a man's entire species for eating some fruit his wife gave him after being told to by a talking snake, mentally torturing people and sacrificing his own son to himself?

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Again, why such hostility? What does calling me a moron accomplish? Does it make you feel better?

So leveling Berlin was not punishing Germans for being in Germany? :-)

Adam was man's representative because he was the first man, not because he was a dad.
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What a tired old horse.

Agreed, trying to boost your post count I see.

[The Grand Nudger]

Only always baby. My post count suffered these last few days without being able to ridicule you and the crackpot shit you post.

[Statler Waldorf]

Only always baby. My post count suffered these last few days without being able to ridicule you and the crackpot shit you post.

Ridicule proves nothing, so by all means keep it up. Although since you advocate terrorism, I hardly think I am the crackpot here.

[The Grand Nudger]

You know what makes the grass grow? Bright red blood friend.

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I could believe that bbq sauce makes babies taste better (and honestly, who here doesn't think that it would), but that doesn't mean much until I go around claiming that it is cosmically true, and that proof is all around us. See, when I have an opinion, it's mine, I own it, and sometimes my own opinions are uncomfortable to me. You can't even admit this to yourself, and so you invent a god to do the damning for you so you can engage in this passtime by proxy.

[C Rod]

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[quote]It is roughly estimated that over 105 billion people have lived and died since man first started walking this planet.
If you do the math of geographical location, parental upbringing, jesus' late entrance into human history, and the sheer fact that most people didn't even know who the fuck JC even was--- the number comes to somewhere roughly between 96 and 98 billion that were sent to hell ... more than half of which never even had a chance because they had no idea your fictional godboy even existed. But you'll find some ludicrous way around that won't you.

Or just make up some unprovable claim like you just made above:
"... the concept of original sin is completely just;"

Oh!? it is just?! O well, thanks for clearing that up for me. I say there is no possible way it could be just, but since YOU said it is completely just - than certainly it must be. Despite all the massive amounts of evidence to the contrary.

O that's right. I forgot ... "JUST" as defined by Statler's special dictionary and god's special rules.


O and by the way, several of your brothers-in-christ (Bob Jones comes to mind) claim to have died and gone to heaven and even paid witness to the 98% fact I was telling you about. Your own people admit that only the uber-elite are going to heaven. Basically your god committed genocide when he created the human race when he actively, wantonly condemned nearly everyone to eternal damnation.

Your religion is utter stupidity and you, the self-proclaimed sheep, kissing the ass of a self-absorbed dictator who could never come close to loving you as much as he loves himself![/quote]

I cant keep seeing this concept of judgement thrown around like the omni crap. Your view is that billions of people are eternally doomed because you know what they did or believed and know of the fate they have because you know of what God is going to do. Jesus said many times that there will be judgement and each will be judged for what they have done. Ones in Jesus are covered by Jesus and reflectively sincere will do good because of said belief in Jesus. You do not know of each actions or the intentions of one's heart as to know what God will do at the time of judgement. As for original sin, once Adam sin,sin entered the world and each person who came into the world was subject to the truth of the desires of there heart.

[The Grand Nudger]

And you have proof of this CRod?

[C Rod]

And you have proof of this CRod?

Lol, you get me every time. But since he discerns from scripture and i discern from scripture, are responses are true to those who wish for them to be true.

[The Grand Nudger]

Have you ever wondered why I don't accept scripture as evidence?