Regarding The Flap Over Confederate Statues

[Neo-Scholastic]

If we only had monuments to perfect people there would be no monuments.

[Autumnlicious]

Still throwing a tantrum over your slavery glorifying statues of losers who made war against the Union?

[Amarok]

Wow for a guy who does not care .You sure have spent a lot of time defending a bunch of slave pushing losers . Even after being demolished on the subject . Is your ego so big you can't accept defeat or is it something more serious .

[Cyberman]

Way to throw ol' Jesus under the bus. Nice one.

[Thumpalumpacus]

If we only had monuments to perfect people there would be no monuments.

Pretty sure some imperfections are worse than others. Say, for instance, adultery versus chattel slavery?

Get to work, and explain why MLK is just as bad as REL.

Or, alternatively, think a little about the issue.

Your choice.

tl/dr: your false equivalence is unconvincing. Trai moar.

[Court Jester]

CJ, do you, a veteran, honestly support the public display and maintenance of statues honoring these men for the treason to country and oath they committed is appropriate?

Kind of a tough question really. Over all though (read explanation below); yes. I absolutely support it and absolutely every "educated" person should.

On one hand; they were men with an ideology that planned to split the nation into two. I can't support that. I shake my head at any red neck retard that flies the rebal flag from the bed of their truck. I can't understand what they want to prove by that because based on the condition of their truck, they can't be educated enough to think too overly critically. Could be wrong; likely not.

On the other hand; They went into the civil war with very good reason in the scope of an equal republic. Fom that, some very positive changes did come from the civil way that equalized the levels of representation for all states even as the nation was grown. We see those changes in government even today. I can very much support the south's reasons for the civil war and we should all be very thankful that it was faught so that all states have equal representation.

It's sad that people are educated as they are and I have to close with this (though most won't read this far) the civil war was not started or faught over slavery until it was thrown in near the end when it was clear that the north was going to win. Many states were also permitted to keep their slaves. Nearly all of them were Union states.
Lincoln also made it clear that blacks should not have the same rights as whites and should be sent back to where they came from. No sain person can argue that slavery was wrong, but slavery was not what they were fighting for.

They were fighting for equal representation within the US Government. So do I feel that we should rip down the statues of men fighting for equal government representation? No. I don't. As a veteran; can I support what they did? Yeah. Any person that really knows history would agree. Anything less is really just ignorant/narrow minded retardation justice.

In the end, the statues are just that. Statues. Chunks of metal and stone. The sad part is that such a high number of individuals within the country are so uneducated that they have no clue what the civil war was really about. Because of that ignorance, they want to rip down the symbols of what they them selves want. Equal representation within government for what they/you want.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

"The sad part is" people think that the people protesting the maintenance of monuments to Jim Crow and the white supremacy ethos are ignorant. 

Have a theme part dedicated to bigotry and arrogance, buy don't ask the tax payers to support it. Put it right next to the Ark Park. It belongs there. Our tax dollars don't belong there.

[Court Jester]

"The sad part is" people think that the people protesting the maintenance of monuments to Jim Crow and the white supremacy ethos are ignorant. 

Have a theme part dedicated to bigotry and arrogance, buy don't ask the tax payers to support it. Put it right next to the Ark Park. It belongs there. Our tax dollars don't belong there.

So now the argument is the maintenance and tax dollars based on Jim Crow? Really??? You're really sticking with the support of the uneducated aren't ya?

What about all the other statues out there for people alive when standards were acceptable? The Lincoln memorial? Washington monument? Mount Rushmore? Jefferson monument? All of the dollar bills and coins? The American Constitution. The original Bill of Rights.

It was acceptable to argue against gay rights back then like Marten Luther King Jr. did. Are you willing to rip down his statues? The whole argument is about equality isn't it? Was Jim Crow about black rights or all rights? Start a movement for removing statues against gay rights too. I would love to see you on CNN arguing removing his statues along with Malcom X. We'll see narrow minds get bellow one lane then.

You're quite the special thinker there buddy.

[Crossless2.0]

It's sad that people are educated as they are and I have to close with this (though most won't read this far) the civil war was not started or faught over slavery until it was thrown in near the end when it was clear that the north was going to win. Many states were also permitted to keep their slaves. Nearly all of them were Union states.
Lincoln also made it clear that blacks should not have the same rights as whites and should be sent back to where they came from. No sain person can argue that slavery was wrong, but slavery was not what they were fighting for.

I guess the South Carolinians who started the damn war didn't get the memo then, judging by the reasons offered by leading figures within the state when they argued for secession, as well as the actual wording of their declaration of secession. The silly fuckers seemed to think it was all about slavery.

It's interesting that you seem to let them off the hook for that by pivoting to northern racial attitudes. There were Northern racists. Wow. Thanks for the news flash. Doesn't change the explicit reasons given by Southerners at the time.

[Amarok]

We have already been over the whole civil war was not about slavery and white nationalism bullshit . You side lost it was about both . Building statues to the confederacy honors both . History needs to be remembered not commemorated . You lose .

Yes there were racists in the north . But again that's not what the union were fighting for. And no don't bring up the whole "but the soldiers BS . We could excuse any evil regime by that logic . And no don't try the whole but colored people fought for the confederacy . Colored people fought for the Nazi's too . Are the Nazi's no longer racist. Again you lose.

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If we only had monuments to perfect people there would be no monuments.

So you would be fine with us raising monuments to Osama Bin laden then right near the twin towers right . After all he was not perfect . But hey he was not totally evil . We can't expect perfection right . Or how about dozens of other "imperfect" people .

And as I said there is a vast difference between sleeping around and stealing some quotes and plunging a nation into one bloodiest in American history . To enrich some fucking plantation owners . And no it's wasn't state rights the Confederacy was far more oppressive to states.