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Myanmar's ethnic cleansing against Muslim Rohingya minority
#31
RE: Myanmar's ethnic cleansing against Muslim Rohingya minority
You think that Atlas is a liberal, or...?
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#32
RE: Myanmar's ethnic cleansing against Muslim Rohingya minority
Quote:I didn't expect any substance behind the accusation. I appreciate your confirmation though.
Thank ya
 Nope there was plenty of substance like every fucking word you said . You literally hang yourself without my help . Thank you for confirming it yourself.

Quote:That was kinda of a bating reply, but it illustrates the point; people read into the very smallest of things what they want to hear to help them make their point.
No that would be you .

Quote:It was a simple statement that based on things that we have seen in the media, given time, the muslims likely would be doing the exact same thing. That is not cheering on one side or the other.
Which does not change the statement in the least.
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#33
RE: Myanmar's ethnic cleansing against Muslim Rohingya minority
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017...ml?mcubz=3

This is from the New York Times:

A Nobel Peace Prize Winner’s Shame

By NICHOLAS KRISTOF
SEPT. 9, 2017

Aung San Suu Kyi, a beloved Nobel Peace Prize winner, is presiding over an ethnic cleansing in which villages are burned, women raped and children butchered.

or the last three weeks, Buddhist-majority Myanmar has systematically slaughtered civilians belonging to the Rohingya Muslim minority, forcing 270,000 to flee to neighboring Bangladesh — with Myanmar soldiers shooting at them even as they cross the border.

“The Buddhists are killing us with bullets,” Noor Symon, a woman carrying her son, told a Times reporter. “They burned houses and tried to shoot us. They killed my husband by bullet.”

Daw Aung San Suu Kyi, the widow who defied Myanmar’s dictators, endured a total of 15 years of house arrest and led a campaign for democracy, was a hero of modern times. Yet today Daw Suu, as the effective leader of Myanmar, is chief apologist for this ethnic cleansing, as the country oppresses the darker-skinned Rohingya and denounces them as terrorists and illegal immigrants.

And “ethnic cleansing” may be an understatement. Even before the latest wave of terror, a Yale study had suggested that the brutality toward the Rohingya might qualify as genocide. The U.S. Holocaust Museum has also warned that a genocide against the Rohingya may be looming.
Burmese soldiers round up Rohingya in Rakhine State. Footage acquired by The New York Times

For shame, Daw Suu. We honored you and fought for your freedom — and now you use that freedom to condone the butchery of your own people?

“They’re killing children,” Matthew Smith, the chief executive of a human rights group called Fortify Rights, told me after interviewing refugees on the Bangladesh border. “In the least, we’re talking about crimes against humanity.”

“My two nephews, their heads were cut off,” one Rohingya survivor told Smith. “One was 6 years old and the other was 9.”

Other accounts describe soldiers throwing infants into a river to drown, and decapitating a grandmother. Hannah Beech, my Times colleague who has provided outstanding coverage from the border, put it this way: “I’ve covered refugee crises before, and this was by far the worst thing that I’ve ever seen.”

It’s not that Daw Suu is organizing the killings (she does not control the military), or that they are entirely one-sided. The latest slaughter began after Rohingya militants attacked police stations and a military base on Aug. 25; the Myanmar security forces responded with scorched-earth fury against Rohingya civilians.



Hundreds are believed to have been killed, but Daw Suu has not criticized the slaughter. Rather, she blamed international aid groups and complained about “a huge iceberg of misinformation” aiming to help “the terrorists” — presumably meaning the Rohingya.

When a Rohingya woman bravely recounted how her husband had been shot dead and how she and three teenage girls had been gang-raped by soldiers, Daw Suu’s Facebook page mocked the claims as “fake rape.”

Based on a conversation with Daw Suu once about the Rohingya, I think she genuinely believes that they are outsiders and troublemakers. But in addition, the moral giant has become a pragmatic politician — and she knows that any sympathy for the Rohingya would be disastrous politically for her party in a country deeply hostile to its Muslim minority.

“We applauded Aung San Suu Kyi when she received her Nobel Prize because she symbolized courage in the face of tyranny,” noted Ken Roth, executive director of Human Rights Watch. “Now that she’s in power, she symbolizes cowardly complicity in the deadly tyranny being visited on the Rohingya.”

Another Nobel Peace Prize winner, Archbishop Desmond Tutu, wrote a pained letter to his friend: “My dear sister: If the political price of your ascension to the highest office in Myanmar is your silence, the price is surely too steep.”



Myanmar tries to keep foreigners out of the Rohingya areas, but I’ve managed to get there twice in the last few years, and even then Rohingya were confined to concentration camps or to remote villages. Many were systematically denied medical care, and children were barred from public schools. It’s a 21st-century apartheid.

I saw a 23-year-old woman, Minura Begum, lose her baby because she needed a doctor; I met a brilliant 15-year-old girl whose dream of becoming a doctor is collapsing because she is confined to a concentration camp; I met a 2-year-old boy, Hirol, who was starving after his mother died for lack of medical care.

Daw Suu and other Myanmar officials refuse to use the word “Rohingya,” seeing them as just illegal immigrants from Bangladesh, but that’s absurd. A document from 1799 shows that even then, the Rohingya population was well established.

In Washington, Senators John McCain and Dick Durbin have introduced a bipartisan resolution condemning the violence and calling on Daw Suu to work to halt it. I hope President Trump speaks up as well.

We know that the Myanmar government responds to pressure, because that’s what won Daw Suu her freedom. Yet there has been far too little outcry for the Rohingya; bravo to Pope Francis for being an exception among world leaders and speaking up for them. A basic lesson of history: Ignoring a possible genocide only encourages the persecutors.

There are petitions online calling for Daw Suu to be stripped of her Nobel. In fact, there is no mechanism to take away the prize, but I do wish that the prize money could be recovered and go to feed the widows and orphans being created on her watch.
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#34
RE: Myanmar's ethnic cleansing against Muslim Rohingya minority
Tragic. It's a shame she doesn't seem to have learnt a thing.

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#35
RE: Myanmar's ethnic cleansing against Muslim Rohingya minority
This reminds me of the Karen people. Maybe it's worse what they went through, but there are definite similarities.
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#36
RE: Myanmar's ethnic cleansing against Muslim Rohingya minority
Look we can't rush to judgment on this.

Is there any word on what the Rohingya have been doing to the Buddhists?

Still, a mighty blow to the reputation of little miss Aung sang too kyi.

She was once viewed as this liberal reformer and is later cast as a gross violator of human rights.

Someone should be saying..Awng Sang..What happened?
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#37
RE: Myanmar's ethnic cleansing against Muslim Rohingya minority
(September 6, 2017 at 1:46 am)AtlasS33 Wrote:
Quote:Aid agencies are warning of a growing humanitarian emergency in Bangladesh as Rohingya Muslims flee neighbouring Myanmar (formerly known as Burma) after an upsurge in violence.
Makeshift camps are overflowing and aid is being prevented from getting in as refugees escape from violence in Burma's Rakhine.
The situation is worsening, in just two weeks 123,000 Rohingya - mainly women children and the elderly - have crossed into Bangladesh.



http://www.itv.com/news/2017-09-05/burma...cleansing/

Ethnic cleansing is the only description for the barbaric crimes carried out against the Rohingya minority group in Myanmar. The Rohingya are Muslims, and were denied citezenship; leaving them "stateless".

Reports from the UN, and major media organizations are giving grim reports about the situation; with ethnic cleansing dropping its shadow over the genocide the native army is carrying against Muslim civilians.

In this case, there is no "Al-Qaeda or ISIS" like it is in Iraq or Syria. The victims are literally civilian women, children and elderly. Children and women are being raped and killed. Evidence -that is the dead bodies of Rohingya- is being burnt.

Why is the world silent about this?
Despite the UN's official statement:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/s...ce-un-says

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/05/world...anmar.html

Silence creates more rebound. When a person dies in the west, the whole world cries. But aren't these Rohingya children worth our tears too?
Just like Rwanda, the world is silent. Wars take place around oil; but they never take place around innocents being raped and killed.

More reports:
http://www.itv.com/news/2017-09-05/burma...cleansing/

http://www.9news.com.au/world/2017/09/06...m-refugees

It's not "ethnic cleansing".

It's fucking genocide!

I hate that PC sounding term.

I have to wonder, though, if any of the Muslim countries will do anything to help these people?

Playing Cluedo with my mum while I was at Uni:

"You did WHAT?  With WHO?  WHERE???"
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#38
RE: Myanmar's ethnic cleansing against Muslim Rohingya minority
(September 14, 2017 at 4:45 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote:
(September 6, 2017 at 1:46 am)AtlasS33 Wrote: Ethnic cleansing is the only description for the barbaric crimes carried out against the Rohingya minority group in Myanmar. The Rohingya are Muslims, and were denied citezenship; leaving them "stateless".

Reports from the UN, and major media organizations are giving grim reports about the situation; with ethnic cleansing dropping its shadow over the genocide the native army is carrying against Muslim civilians.

In this case, there is no "Al-Qaeda or ISIS" like it is in Iraq or Syria. The victims are literally civilian women, children and elderly. Children and women are being raped and killed. Evidence -that is the dead bodies of Rohingya- is being burnt.

Why is the world silent about this?
Despite the UN's official statement:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/s...ce-un-says

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/05/world...anmar.html

Silence creates more rebound. When a person dies in the west, the whole world cries. But aren't these Rohingya children worth our tears too?
Just like Rwanda, the world is silent. Wars take place around oil; but they never take place around innocents being raped and killed.

More reports:
http://www.itv.com/news/2017-09-05/burma...cleansing/

http://www.9news.com.au/world/2017/09/06...m-refugees

It's not "ethnic cleansing".

It's fucking genocide!

I hate that PC sounding term.

I have to wonder, though, if any of the Muslim countries will do anything to help these people?

Aung San Suu Kyi apparently thinks the term "ethnic cleansing" is too strong a phrase to describe what's happening. Not only that, she feels that "both sides" are full of fear.

Yeah.

SMH
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#39
RE: Myanmar's ethnic cleansing against Muslim Rohingya minority
(September 14, 2017 at 4:45 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: It's not "ethnic cleansing".

It's fucking genocide!

I hate that PC sounding term.

I have to wonder, though, if any of the Muslim countries will do anything to help these people?

I don't think they'll do a thing.

The wealthiest (Arabian gulf countries) are busy in the crisis between Qatar, Saudi Arabia and the UAE. Add the terrible war in Yemen to the mix (which most wealthy Muslim states are already a part of), add the Kurdish independence which keeps Turkey occupied and busy and..... IDK but these poor Rohingya seem like alone and forsaken. If they got a Dollar of support from Muslim countries; I'll consider them lucky.

And hey; don't think Muslim states didn't see this coming! What they do in Yemen is similar to what Myanmar is witnessing, it's just so hard to picture them helping anybody after all the crimes each and every state is drenched in to the teeth, and most problems they face are from their own doing. And those who pay eventually are the common people who get their lives taken as a toy; with genocides carried against them just for being weak.

(September 15, 2017 at 1:02 am)Javaman Wrote:
(September 14, 2017 at 4:45 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: It's not "ethnic cleansing".

It's fucking genocide!

I hate that PC sounding term.

I have to wonder, though, if any of the Muslim countries will do anything to help these people?

Aung San Suu Kyi apparently thinks the term "ethnic cleansing" is too strong a phrase to describe what's happening. Not only that, she feels that "both sides" are full of fear.

Yeah.

SMH

A person's care for human rights shows it's quality when it comes to pointing out the crimes of their own people. Even the crimes of one's own hands. She should've respected the noble she had; and should've known more than anybody else that the shoe of the oppressed is fit for anybody; she might be in the place of the Rohingya anytime
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#40
RE: Myanmar's ethnic cleansing against Muslim Rohingya minority
The upside, is that it's been something to beat smug buddhists over the head with.   It's been ongoing for nearly 60 years now.
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