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Does anyone here have any references
August 13, 2011 at 11:10 pm
to published work by any currently tenured history professors who have made the argument that Jesus didn't exist. I am aware of lot of the popular arguments, but I could use some references, if they are available.
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RE: Does anyone here have any references
August 13, 2011 at 11:25 pm
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RE: Does anyone here have any references
August 13, 2011 at 11:37 pm
'The difference between a Miracle and a Fact is exactly the difference between a mermaid and seal. It could not be expressed better.'
-- Samuel "Mark Twain" Clemens
"I think that in the discussion of natural problems we ought to begin not with the scriptures, but with experiments, demonstrations, and observations".
- Galileo Galilei (1564-1642)
"In short, Meyer has shown that his first disastrous book was not a fluke: he is capable of going into any field in which he has no training or research experience and botching it just as badly as he did molecular biology. As I've written before, if you are a complete amateur and don't understand a subject, don't demonstrate the Dunning-Kruger effect by writing a book about it and proving your ignorance to everyone else! "
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RE: Does anyone here have any references
August 14, 2011 at 12:28 am
The idea goes way back to the French Revolution, Orog, when the church was seen as a part of the problem enhancing the nobility's oppression of the people.
It developed further as noted here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_myth_theory
What is interesting are the refutations which basically amount to the same old shit that the fundies trot out trying to prop up their godboy.
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RE: Does anyone here have any references
August 14, 2011 at 3:43 am
I understand that. My question is is there anyone in academia (particularly in the field of history) who currently argues that Jesus was not a real person, and if so, who?
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RE: Does anyone here have any references
August 14, 2011 at 4:01 am
you can watch "Zeitgeist: The Movie", the first part of the movie talks about the Jesus myth.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeitgeist:_The_Movie
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RE: Does anyone here have any references
August 14, 2011 at 4:53 am
(August 14, 2011 at 3:43 am)orogenicman Wrote: I understand that. My question is is there anyone in academia (particularly in the field of history) who currently argues that Jesus was not a real person, and if so, who?
Richard Carrier.
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RE: Does anyone here have any references
August 14, 2011 at 7:11 am
Thanks.
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"I think that in the discussion of natural problems we ought to begin not with the scriptures, but with experiments, demonstrations, and observations".
- Galileo Galilei (1564-1642)
"In short, Meyer has shown that his first disastrous book was not a fluke: he is capable of going into any field in which he has no training or research experience and botching it just as badly as he did molecular biology. As I've written before, if you are a complete amateur and don't understand a subject, don't demonstrate the Dunning-Kruger effect by writing a book about it and proving your ignorance to everyone else! "
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RE: Does anyone here have any references
August 14, 2011 at 11:11 am
(August 14, 2011 at 4:01 am)A_Vamp Wrote: you can watch "Zeitgeist: The Movie", the first part of the movie talks about the Jesus myth.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeitgeist:_The_Movie Zeitgeist is also a terrible example of a documentary, and shouldn't be used if you want to actually study the "Jesus Myth":
https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/e...ristianity
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RE: Does anyone here have any references
August 15, 2011 at 9:28 am
(August 14, 2011 at 11:11 am)Tiberius Wrote: (August 14, 2011 at 4:01 am)A_Vamp Wrote: you can watch "Zeitgeist: The Movie", the first part of the movie talks about the Jesus myth.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeitgeist:_The_Movie Zeitgeist is also a terrible example of a documentary, and shouldn't be used if you want to actually study the "Jesus Myth":
https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/e...ristianity
part of the movie is just borderline paranoia, but its a good documentary & provides excellent ideas, especially the third one.
yes I know its been criticized, but why listen to those criticisms? the first part of the documentary about the Jesus myth is absolutely true, & there's nothing bogus about it.
"The God Who Wasn't There" is also about the Jesus myth.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_God_Who_Wasn%27t_There
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