What would it take?

[Succubus]

...When you ask a question based on a specific cannon, then you for the sake of the argument at least suspend the right to call into question the validity of the cannon. Why? because you question asks for cannon to explain itself. when it does to back out of the question is intellectual dishonesty...

Who wrote the cannon gospels?

[vorlon13]

[Minimalist]

No. So then can it then be said those words of warning were just as important then are they are now?

But of course the questions was why is your godboy overdue?  Did he forget to write it on his calendar?

Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.

Matty  16:28

Fucked that one up, bigly!

[Bow Before Zeus]

Since there is no "judgement" of the type you are insinuating, the answer is yes, everyone escapes judgement.


Oops, that No should be a Yes.

The words are less important as they are now because they have failed one simple test. The test of observation. They have not come to pass for over 2,000 years nor shall they do so over the next 10,000 years or 100,000 years.

An often quoted definition of insanity is to do the same thing expecting different results. Xtians have been praying and waiting for the return of their god but he refuses to return. That is the reason for my question. If we are now living in the year 100,000 CE and your god has still not returned, will you still be doing the same thing? Will you be praying and waiting for him to return?

Moron..

Oops... More personal attacks from xtians. I'm getting used to this now but please note, I have not responded in kind to any xtians that have personally attacked me.

You can't ask, "Would an elevator be able to go up if Thor's Hammer was set in the middle of it." Then when the answer is given you can't say there is no such thing as Mjölnir.

When you ask a question based on a specific cannon, then you for the sake of the argument at least suspend the right to call into question the validity of the cannon. Why? because you question asks for cannon to explain itself. when it does to back out of the question is intellectual dishonesty.

In this case God Came to each and every person that was issued those warring or originally received them (and everyone since then) within their own life time everyone has experienced that judgement.. So the urgency you see in genuine because before those people were cool in the ground they stood judgement before God.

Right, not sure what you are getting at here. You seem to be so angry that your text is muddled up and confused. Can you please calm down and make your point succinctly and clearly.

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He's dead. Happened 2,500 years ago. Didn't you get the memo?

You think Jesus reached nirvana or he's running around a meadow right now waiting for the farmer to milk him?

Ye, I think he is reborn and his name is Aegon.

[Neo-Scholastic]

In regards to the OP, cant you see how a reasonable person reading the bible might think that it explicitly says that Jesus was going to return (at most) within 100 years? How long does a generation last? How do you reconcile what is said in the bible with a 2,000 year--and counting-- period? Jesus told the people who surrounded him that he was coming back soon.

More than any other type of literature, the prophetic literature has never lent itself to a plain reading. IMHO a reasonable person would recognize that temporal references are particularly difficult - from the seventy weeks of Daniel to famines in Pharoah's dream that Joseph interpreted, and anything in Revelation. I generally avoid putting too much effort into the interpretation of prophecies, even those of Jesus, precisely because they are so cryptic and laden with allusions.

[JairCrawford]

Even many Christians tend to forget a very important passage. I'll be honest, I believe in miracles, signs, wonders, and prophecy extends to even today. But claiming to predict the second coming is ludicrous. It's in the red letters themselves that such a prophecy cannot happen.

"However, no one knows the day or hour when these things will happen, not even the angels in heaven or the Son himself. Only the Father knows." Matthew 24:36

You would think that we Christians would learn to heed those words, right? lol

That's my answer to your initial question though, from someone in the faith. It could be a -million- years for all we know. We do not know the time or the hour.

[chimp3]

I say that the Christian's slapstick savior on a stick turned up his worm farm a long time ago. If he really existed as a human then some of his atoms may have been in that chicken I ate the other day. I may have just exhaled some CO2 that was part of Christ's carbon foot print. Isn't Nature awesome!

[Minimalist]

More than any other type of literature, the prophetic literature has never lent itself to a plain reading.

Yeah.... the Oracle of Delphi had the same problem.


But I'll be damned if I'm going to sacrifice a goat to Apollo.

[vulcanlogician]

More than any other type of literature, the prophetic literature has never lent itself to a plain reading.

More than 90% of your fellow Christians disagree with that. You're just an exception. The problem is that it isn't so clear when one should read it plainly or dig deeper for meaning. That's why you see the Bible used for so many bad ends. "You will know them by their fruits." It's a bad idea to see some text as authoritative when nobody can agree on what it means. Would you agree, Neo, that one who reads the bible as if it were an authority, yet misunderstands it, is obedient to the wrong authority? If this is the case, you ought to have as many problems with Christianity as anti-theists do.

IMHO a reasonable person would recognize that temporal references are particularly difficult - from the seventy weeks of Daniel to famines in Pharoah's dream that Joseph interpreted, and anything in Revelation. I generally avoid putting too much effort into the interpretation of prophecies, even those of Jesus, precisely because they are so cryptic and laden with allusions.

Yes, it reads a lot like a strange work of fiction.

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But claiming to predict the second coming is ludicrous. It's in the red letters themselves that such a prophecy cannot happen.

Just out of curiosity, do you put more credence in the red letters than elsewhere in the NT?

Do you consider letters that were written by Paul to various churches to be the Word of God?

It just seems that the red letters alone ought to be considered so, if anything; it is a stretch to throw a bunch of letters from Paul into "the Word of God." Those are the words of Paul, aren't they? Is Paul God?

[JairCrawford]

More than any other type of literature, the prophetic literature has never lent itself to a plain reading.

But claiming to predict the second coming is ludicrous. It's in the red letters themselves that such a prophecy cannot happen.

Just out of curiosity, do you put more credence in the red letters than elsewhere in the NT?

Do you consider letters that were written by Paul to various churches to be the Word of God?

It just seems that the red letters alone ought to be considered so, if anything; it is a stretch to throw a bunch of letters from Paul into "the Word of God." Those are the words of Paul, aren't they? Is Paul God?

Well, yes and no. I believe the letters from Paul to be Inspired, and great spiritual meaning can be gained from them, but the red letters are directly from Jesus, so they are of a higher priority.