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What Constantine likely saw.
#11
RE: What Constantine likely saw.
(January 2, 2018 at 1:37 am)Godscreated Wrote:
(January 1, 2018 at 11:18 am)Jehanne Wrote:



https://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap180101.html

The so-called "Miracle of the Sun" was likely something similar, also.  A thousand years ago these people would probably be freaking out.

 Even the common people of the time were more familiar with events in the skies than your average college grad of today.

GC

Yeah? Because if they were the ignorant yokels like they really were, then the prostrating faith you have in the story of your god boy would make you look even more stupid than they?
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#12
RE: What Constantine likely saw.
Yeah that miracle of seeing cross had touched Constantine's soul so much that he never even converted to Christianity (some say he converted on his death bed, while others say he never did) and he also regularly offered sacrifices to Apollo, Diana and Hercules, and remained head of the official pagan priesthood throughout his life - as if the whole miracle thing was invented.

Constantine dabbed into Christianity because monotheism preached the need for all to worship a single source of authority - a concept that was music to Constantine's ears. Especially after reading Saint Paul's writings about political leaders receiving their authority from God gave Constantine plenty of ammunition for his totalitarian project. He made his own Christianity in 325, by inviting bishops from all over the empire at the Council of Nicaea and then immediately moved to repress any alternate versions of Christianity.

And also don't forget this saint in many of the Christian eyes got his son executed, and his own wife boiled alive, for he feared they may have been plotting against him. Jesus's message to "love your enemies" must have not gotten to destination and instead he went with Jesus' "I have not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I have come to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; and one’s foes will be members of one’s own household. Whoever loves father or mother more than me is not worthy of me", since Constantine had some of his rivals beheaded, and others hanged after he had promised them clemency if they surrendered.
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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#13
RE: What Constantine likely saw.
(January 2, 2018 at 1:37 am)Godscreated Wrote:
(January 1, 2018 at 11:18 am)Jehanne Wrote:



https://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap180101.html

The so-called "Miracle of the Sun" was likely something similar, also.  A thousand years ago these people would probably be freaking out.

 Even the common people of the time were more familiar with events in the skies than your average college grad of today.

GC

Like comets and eclipses? You must believe that the South won the Civil War; it was all just a bunch of "fake news".
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#14
RE: What Constantine likely saw.
Quote:some say he converted on his death bed,

Xtians say that.  Of course, they lie like rugs.
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#15
RE: What Constantine likely saw.
(January 2, 2018 at 8:31 am)Jehanne Wrote:
(January 2, 2018 at 1:37 am)Godscreated Wrote:  Even the common people of the time were more familiar with events in the skies than your average college grad of today.

GC

Like comets and eclipses?  You must believe that the South won the Civil War; it was all just a bunch of "fake news".

 Please show your intelligence and not your arrogance. What I said is true and you know it. If you don't you need to go and study the people of the past. Yes some had misunderstandings of comets and eclipses because they didn't have the advantages of  telescopes and space travel. If we didn't have those things we wouldn't understand even today.
So please be the intelligent person you are and quit treating me as some dummy, I'm not. By the way the only fake news I see on this post is your post.

GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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#16
RE: What Constantine likely saw.
Cool, They caught a glimpse of FSM's sun catcher.
"For the only way to eternal glory is a life lived in service of our Lord, FSM; Verily it is FSM who is the perfect being the name higher than all names, king of all kings and will bestow upon us all, one day, The great reclaiming"  -The Prophet Boiardi-

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RE: What Constantine likely saw.
(January 2, 2018 at 3:33 pm)Godscreated Wrote: So please be the intelligent person you are and quit treating me as some dummy, I'm not. By the way the only fake news I see on this post is your post.

GC

You indisputably are.  It takes a dummy to believe in your God when one has the accumulated knowledge of reality from the last 20 centuries at one's finger tips, and you are significantly more dumb than necessary for believing in that malevolently conceived iron age fairytale in the 21st
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#18
RE: What Constantine likely saw.
(January 2, 2018 at 4:51 am)Anomalocaris Wrote:
(January 2, 2018 at 1:37 am)Godscreated Wrote:  Even the common people of the time were more familiar with events in the skies than your average college grad of today.

GC

Yeah?  Because if they were the ignorant yokels like they really were, then the prostrating faith you have in the story of your god boy would make you look even more stupid than they?

I'll bet they could tell you more about the night sky than you know from observing it with just your eyes like they had to. I know why also.

GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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#19
RE: What Constantine likely saw.
(January 2, 2018 at 6:57 pm)Godscreated Wrote:
(January 2, 2018 at 4:51 am)Anomalocaris Wrote: Yeah?  Because if they were the ignorant yokels like they really were, then the prostrating faith you have in the story of your god boy would make you look even more stupid than they?

I'll bet they could tell you more about the night sky than you know from observing it with just your eyes like they had to. I know why also.

GC

And?   Because they lacked telescopes, knew nothing of the nature of atmospheric phenomenon, chemistry, optics, real astronomy so I should ditch all the knowledge gained by telescopes, by modern atmospheric science, chemistry, optics and astronomy and buy the tall tales they tell to disguise their own blindness and total ignorance to all that is beyond their naked eye and miniscule experience?

I have 20 centuries of accumulated and systematized knowledge behind me.  I know infinitely more about visual phenomenons and their causes than they can even imagine.   I know what mode of explanation has proven track record of ironclad verification and disputable predictive power over centuries of intellectually rigorous exercise, and what mode of explanation is as vapid and unpredictive then as now and can appeal only to the wishthinking.

Your God boy mode of explanation is as vapid and unpredictive now as back then.
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Back then yokels are easily overawed by overreaching yet vapid tales without any predictive power.    Now only the dumb and dumber still are.
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#20
RE: What Constantine likely saw.
This supposed miracle represents the essence of Christian mentality: the miracle in which Jesus helped one group of people slaughter other group of people. And in the mean time they insist Jesus is all about love and that we shouldn't read the parts of Bible where Jesus (and his dad in OT) orders people to do vile, genocidal things, while at the same time they celebrate Jesus for doing these same vile things.

One group of people slaughtering another is no miracle. It would be a miracle if cross appeared and they all threw away their weapons, made peace and united, but no.
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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