Do my parents fear that I'll leave the faith?

[DodosAreDead]

 Yes I can say it for certainty because through the scriptures I know how things be in the end.

GC

Through the scriptures that have no backing.

[Whateverist]

 Yes I can say it for certainty because through the scriptures I know how things be in the end.

GC

Through the scriptures that have no backing.

I know.  Whenever someone cites scriptures to support an opinion I always imagine they'd said they consulted tea leaves, the position of the stars or the entrails of a chicken.  That is the company the bible keeps in terms of providing valid justification.

But GC is okay.  At least he isn't filled with resentment and acrimony like Drich.  He is pretty pleasant about sharing what he thinks, regardless the value of his sources.

[Astreja]

How can so many people not grasp the utter ridiculousness of it all?  The entire endeavor reveals itself to be farcical if one thinks about it for even a couple of seconds.

Never underestimate the power of scaring people into at least the outward expression of belief with "What if you're wrong?" and other tactics designed to bully and terrify.

[Abaddon_ire]

So is your mindless droning. How many people from here have you converted to the faith yet?

 I do not know people tend to leave and not come back and they may have accepted Christ into their lives. I'm here for the ones who just visit, many more of them. By the way I can't convert anyone, that is up to the individual and the Grace of God.

GC

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Several people have died as atheists, you know. Without seeing the power of your almighty god. So you can't say this with surety.

 More than several and when judgment comes they will see the power of God and all the other atheist who have yet to die will see His power, too. Yes I can say it for certainty because through the scriptures I know how things be in the end.

GC

So you accept the reality of Jinn, right?

[DodosAreDead]

But GC is okay.  At least he isn't filled with resentment and acrimony like Drich.  He is pretty pleasant about sharing what he thinks, regardless the value of his sources.

Yeah, I actually like the way he's laying out his points, and it takes balls to be on a forum like this, against the general view, for as long as he has been. But I still don't care for the source of his knowledge.

[Godscreated]

 Yes I can say it for certainty because through the scriptures I know how things will be in the end.

GC

Through the scriptures that have no backing.

 The scriptures are full of truths, Just awhile  back the city of Gath was found, a city from which Goliath was from and they even found a piece of pottery with a name similar to Goliath. It will be interesting to see what they find when they finish the excavation. This is a city lost to the world for some 3000 years and it's a city that King David destroyed. The more time goes on the more of the physical Bible is being revealed. The spiritual things come by faith then by belief and then knowledge. Paul told his Christian brothers and sisters that we could know God. I do.

GC

GC

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 I do not know people tend to leave and not come back and they may have accepted Christ into their lives. I'm here for the ones who just visit, many more of them. By the way I can't convert anyone, that is up to the individual and the Grace of God.

GC

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 More than several and when judgment comes they will see the power of God and all the other atheist who have yet to die will see His power, too. Yes I can say it for certainty because through the scriptures I know how things will be in the end.

GC

So you accept the reality of Jinn, right?

 Who?

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The creator of hell is automatically responsible for all suffering that may occur there -- 100%, in perpetuity.  It's  ludicrous to blame those hapless mortal "sinners" for the suffering inflicted upon them by a more powerful being.

 It's you that has chosen to go to hell and suffer all that it has to offer. So how does that make God responsible. Guess what hell is a place and according to the life you live here and the rejection of Christ you create your own hell. Don't believe me go to the scriptures, I'm not about to post all the scriptures on hell, so if you ever get interested go to the Bible.

GC

[Godscreated]

First you have to accept Jesus as you savior and Lord,

Sorry, I could not morally accept a monster who advocates murder, genocide, rape, incest, human sacrifice, slavery and so forth as any kind of authority on anything.

I haven't tried to answer this post because of it's length, if you will notice for the last 2 1/2 weeks I have mostly posted short answers, I've been sick with some kind of crud and the antibiotics do not seem to be helping. I'm going to give it a try though but it may take a couple days to do so.

You should read the Ten Commandments for some of your answers. God has never accepted human sacrifice and never will, He actually condemned the Israelites for doing such things. The slavery you are familiar with is not the slavery in the OT. Man instituted slavery not God, you have to understand the times and what the people were like then, God works through people for His plan. It would actually take a large Bible study to address those things you have mentioned and this is not the place for such a study. 

then ask for forgiveness.

From whom and for what?

From God the creator of coarse, there is no one else that can forgive your sins. You might not like hearing that you are a sinner (I didn't at one time) but it's true nevertheless. I came to accept the truth and found God and live in a great relationship with Him.

What sin do you believe you haven't committed.

I have committed no sons, but I have committed two daughters. Does that count?

God says only a fool will say he doesn't sin and at the end of your life the truth will be revealed at the judgement. I saw my mistake and corrected it I've had more than usual since I've been sick.
 

They were blamed for the first sin because this allowed sin into the world. We have to suffer the consequences of that disobedience. It doesn't matter what today's humans think or believe, what matter is what God says, He is in total control it is His universe and He can do with it as He sees fit. The only say you have in the matter is saying yes to Jesus. The tree was The tree of knowledge of good and evil, not what's right or wrong. They knew the difference between right and wrong with only one commandment to keep. So you see there's a huge difference in saying right and wrong vs good and evil.

Except that your god set it all up purposefully. Your god put both trees in the garden of eden and put the serpent in there also. This is called "entrapment".

It's called a test and no God didn't put Lucifer in the Garden. Before Lucifer's fall he actually walked in the Garden with God, see what you could learn by studying the Bible. When Lucifer was thrown out of heaven and to the earth he knew where the Garden was and thus had no trouble finding it. Let's deal with the Tree of Good and Evil, if God had not placed it in the Garden then what kind of obedience would Adam and Eve had to live up to. It was only one commandment and they failed. To obey God is to love Him this is the whole story of loving God and God asks only that we obey Him and recognize when we fail and ask for forgiveness. God did purposely create the Garden and He purposely put both trees in the Garden and He allowed Lucifer to tempt them, it wasn't God who tempted them He has promised to never tempt us and yes testing is totally different from temptation.

Furthermore, neither Adam nor Eve had the foggiest clue that it would be in any way wrong to eat from the tree of knowledge until after they had done so.

I knew you did not know much about the scriptures but with this statement I do not believe you have ever read the Bible. My argument against what you have said lies in the first three chapters of Genesis, I'm not going to tell you specifically where, I challenge you to read those chapters and find my argument, it will be as plain as the nose on your face. It's time you see that reading the Bible will help you from making such a basic mistake.

Furthermore, your god pooped his panties and paniced when they did.

My argument for this is also in the first three chapters of Genesis, search for it while you're reading for the other answer. I will say this, how is it that God being omniscient and omnipresent would have been surprised by what they did, he knew what was to happen before He created the universe. This last sentence might help you find the answer to your statement.

Furthermore, none of this ever happened anyway. No god, no eden, no trees, no talking snake, no Adam, no Eve. None of it.

Seeing how you're the one making this positive claim it's your responsibility to prove your claim.

This is easy, wrong is disobedience of God's will and right is doing the will of God obediently.

How many slaves do you own? Owning slaves is not only your god's will he/she/it/housecat even provides a user manual in the bible.

Who said I owned slaves and no the Bible puts restrictions on how man is to treat slaves and slavery was instituted by man not God. God did allow slavery and for what purpose I'm not sure, what I am sure of is that God did not institute slavery.

No He can't change it, that would interfere with your free choice between heaven and hell. God has already lived and continually does live the future.

Evidence?

If He changed it then you would have no free will period and without free will you can not show your love for God to Him. Simple really. As far as God living the future every day this is easily explained, He is omnipresent, this allows Him to live in all time at all times. 

He can't change the future so the rest of your posit has no bearing on the conversation.Your god is thus not omnipotent. What a strangely weak god you have.

What personal benefit? God will not prevent all evil,

And you reinforce your weak god.

Yeah right, He created the universe and you call Him weak. There are somethings God can't do because they go against who He is and to go against himself would be sinful and God has said He can not sin nor even be tempted to sin. If God were to go against himself the His house would be divided and that just will not happen.

He allowed a great evil to come upon the Son

Nope. The son had a bad weekend. Nothing more.

The further you go into this post the more ridiculous you are becoming, you should have stopped a while back. You not knowing what Christ suffered have no idea what He went through. I bet if it were you that was hung on that cross you wouldn't call it a bad weekend.

and why because He loves you, it's simple.

As described, your god wants nothing but mindless slaves.

Really and where did you get this information, I know I'm not mindless and to be a slave to God has to do with service to Him without question and most Christians can't do it, I know I can't. 

God doesn't care about epicurean-paradox or any other man made thoughts to explain Him away.

Yet in contrast, your god needs apologists to explain him/her/it/housecat into existence.

No He doesn't and what made you believe such a silly thing, man has taken up the roll of apologetics, God simply ask us to witness to others about what He does in our lives.

By the way you will see the power of our almighty God one of these days and I hope it's not to late for you.

When? 2,000 years of threatening such a thing yet it has never happened and never will.

You sure are piling up a bunch of things you need to prove, claiming this stuff doesn't make you right. God has a set time for the return of Christ.

But, it is your decision and ultimately you will be to blame for your own sin as Adam and Eve were blamed for theirs.

Yes. If your god actually existed, hell would be the preferred option. Who wants to spend eternity worshiping a monster?

You jumped in on a conversation I was having with DA and at first I thought you were sincere but now I see all the foolishness that lives within you. I'm kinda' sorry I even answered your post because you will be like many others here and ignore God's concerns for your life. If you had any idea of what hell really is you wouldn't say such a thing and I'm hoping you do not find out what kinda' hell you are piling up on yourself.

GC

[Astreja]

It's you that has chosen to go to hell and suffer all that it has to offer. So how does that make God responsible.

By refusing to provide a viable option to accommodate my utterly intractable non-belief and my completely non-negotiable refusal to accept a saviour.

Your god is without excuse.

[Whateverist]

It's you that has chosen to go to hell and suffer all that it has to offer. So how does that make God responsible.

By refusing to provide a viable option to accommodate my utterly intractable non-belief and my completely non-negotiable refusal to accept a saviour.

Your god is without excuse.

Yep, if there is a creator/afterlife-judge, He should have either created me without a bullshit detector and gullible enough to belief this nonsense, or else have made a better effort at communicating at the level of intelligence granted us. But since the idea is absurd on the face of it, who cares?

[Astreja]

Yep, if there is a creator/afterlife-judge, He should have either created me without a bullshit detector and gullible enough to belief this nonsense, or else have made a better effort at communicating at the level of intelligence granted us.  But since the idea is absurd on the face of it, who cares?

I find the most absurd thing of all is the excuses that believers make so that they don't have to own up to the more unpleasant consequences of their myth complex.  How can I "choose" hell if I don't want to be in such a place, don't believe it exists, and don't want eternal life of any kind?

In GC's myopic view, I have only two choices and neither one is a good one.  Either I have to lie to myself about believing in GC's god and also violate the core of my moral sensibility by agreeing to let Jesus be sacrificed on my behalf, or an insanely powerful being will condemn me to never-ending torment.  I have no viable choice, and it's bullshit to say that I do have a choice.

And this kind of shit makes me absolutely furious.  I'm appalled and disgusted by GC's stance, so much so that if I had the power to do so I would literally destroy all vestiges of his faith and reduce him to a sobbing heap on the floor, and I would do so without a single regret.