Christianity Is The BEST Religion....

[Astreja]

The laws of physics do not preclude evolution.

At all.

Neither does the ultimate fate of the universe, whatever it may be, nullify what is happening right now in living organisms all over this planet.

[Godscreated]

Science couldn't possibly know that and I know it is assumed that the Milky Way has absorbed more than one dwarf galaxy and that isn't knowable either. It's all guess work to build up a scientific fairy tale. The contradictions in astrophysics is outrageous and laughable. Scientist can't even come to an agreement on whether black holes exist or not.

You're just butt-hurt because science has real answers, while you're stuck with a god who got blindsided by a Talking Snake™ three chapters into Genesis.  

Now be a good little god-bot and get to work on solving that "yes, no, maybe" prayer quality control problem.

I have no problems with God and Christianity, that would be you and no science doesn't have real answers all the time, astrophysics has moved into the realm of fairy tales big time they have come up with a thousand ways the earth will be destroyed and yet in the supposed 4 billion years of time for this planet none of them have happened, in four billion years by their telling the earth should have long been gone.

GC

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The laws of physics do not preclude evolution.

At all.

Neither does the ultimate fate of the universe, whatever it may be, nullify what is happening right now in living organisms all over this planet.

So you're saying physics is junk science, how loyal of you.

GC

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To all the rest who replied to my post I'm not going to get into a running battle with you there are to many wanting replies and I haven't the time so here is how it will stand. astrophysics has told so many contradicting stories about the universe on so many subjects and so many levels that it is a joke of science, The Scientist can't agree on anything so they all promote their own fairy tales and yes that's what they are because none of them can be proven and most of what they claim hasn't been seen to exist, So as you say to me the one making the claim has the responsibility to prove the claim. I'm guessing there isn't enough time for them to do this. They are even making up stories about killer particles that can destroy galaxies and even the whole universe, they couldn't possibly know of such a particle and live to tell about it, now how stupid is that and you all call me gullible.
 As for evolution, until someone can prove that new information can be added to DNA naturally then tho whole of evolution is dead, it has never been proven and it never will be, end of story. Write all you want I will not waste my time with trying to answer 10 or more people in the same thread and about the same post. Good night and sweet dreams.

GC

[Astreja]

I have no problems with God and Christianity, that would be you...

Yes, I do have a problem with your alleged god and with Christianity.  It pains me to see so many people wasting their lives on spiritual vaporware.

and no science doesn't have real answers all the time, astrophysics has moved into the realm of fairy tales big time they have come up with a thousand ways the earth will be destroyed and yet in the supposed 4 billion years of time for this planet none of them have happened, in four billion years by their telling the earth should have long been gone.

We already have one plausible scenario for the end of the earth:  Approximately five billion years from now, as the sun runs low on hydrogen to fuse into helium, it will become a red giant that expands and engulfs the earth.

Oh, and here's something to give you pause, GC:  This woman just woke up one morning last August and her faith was gone without a trace.  No rhyme or reason to it, just... gone.  It could happen to you.  It could happen to someone you love.  It could happen to anybody.

I'm happy for her, but I'm puzzled.  Normally deconversion is accompanied by a lot of pondering and struggle and emotional upheaval.  Given the suddenness and the spontaneity in this case, I'm wondering how the mind actually processes religious beliefs and whether the brain just gets tired of maintaining the "faith" circuitry and all its cognitive dissonance, and shuts it down altogether.

ETA:  And, after reading this vile misrepresentation of my words --

The laws of physics do not preclude evolution.

At all.

Neither does the ultimate fate of the universe, whatever it may be, nullify what is happening right now in living organisms all over this planet.

So you're saying physics is junk science, how loyal of you.

-- I hope you *do* lose your faith.  But not the easy way.  I want it to be as painful for you as possible.   I want you to sweat metaphorical tears of blood, and weep real tears, as you lie in your bed with the darkness closing in on all sides, and your heart racing in a total panic.

I do not forgive people who lie about me.  Ever.

[Cyberman]

Did you know that our solar system is really part of the Sagittarius Dwarf Galaxy that is being absorbed by the larger Milky Way Galaxy?  If you kept up on science you would know such things.  
http://www.rediff.com/news/2007/jun/26earth.htm

http://www.viewzone.com/milkyway.html

http://annesastronomynews.com/wp-content...ptical.jpg

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Actually, no.

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badast...ovRWEunw0M

[Huggy Bear]

*Emphasis mine*

I simply stated that "energy cannot be created or destroyed" which you clearly did not agree with, since you stated that it could be destroyed...

Transformation does not equate to destruction.

In a nuclear bomb, a small bit of mass is converted into energy. In nuclear reactions, it is common for energy to be converted into mass.

You were claiming that life is a form of energy and hence would have to be conserved. But, if it is *transformed* into, say, heat, or chemical energy, that is quite enough to satisfy the conservation of energy. So the conservation of energy has *nothing* to do with whether life comes from life.

Furthermore, because of the aspects of general relativity (see above), it isn't possible, often, to even define a 'total energy'. This is one of the reasons it is possible to get a 'universe from nothing'.

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Nope, if God is light, that makes him energy, which makes life energy, which means that life has always existed. Does not the Bible state that before the world was even made the the sons of God shouted for joy?

Nope. Even if energy has always existed, that doesn't mean *life* has always existed. First, since life isn't a form of energy. Second, because there is no guarantee energy will stay the same *type* of energy. Life converting into heat, or electrical energy would be just as good.

Also, light sn't a supernatural entity. It is an electromagnetic wave. So, unless you are lcaiming your deity is an electromagnetic wave, your deity cannot be light.

Finally, light isn't, itself, a form of energy. It *has* energy, just like mass does. But it is not, itself energy. It has other properties than just its energy, like its momentum and angular momentum.

In other words, you have terribly confused God, light, energy, and life. None of the four is equal to any of the others.

Look, I'm telling you exactly what the Bible states, life = energy.

In him was life; and the life was the light of men - John 1:4

If life can exist after death of the body then is has to be some form of energy, you cannot say that life cannot exist after death because you don't know; but if life is energy then according to science it continues to exist...

Like I've said, it's funny how science seems to corroborate what the bible has been saying all along.

[GrandizerII]

To all the rest who replied to my post I'm not going to get into a running battle with you there are to many wanting replies and I haven't the time so here is how it will stand.

In other words, "bla bla bla".

astrophysics has told so many contradicting stories about the universe on so many subjects and so many levels that it is a joke of science,

It's called progress ... advancement in knowledge, adjusting views and beliefs in light of new evidence and better logic.

Also, didn't you just diss someone for shitting on physics (even though she actually didn't)? How hypocritical can you get?

The Scientist can't agree on anything so they all promote their own fairy tales and yes that's what they are because none of them can be proven and most of what they claim hasn't been seen to exist,

Scientists agree on many things to do with the universe. For example, they agree with the basics of astronomy (the sun is a star, the earth and other planets revolve around the sun, the moon does not emit light of its own, the Solar System is just a small regional part of the Milky Way galaxy). They generally agree that the universe is expanding, that the universe is 13-14 billion years old, that time is relative to the observer, and that spacetime bends. That some scientists disagree with some of these more advanced views does not mean that they're not directly/indirectly based on both conclusive evidence and sound logic.

The silly Bible may be a collection of fairy tales, but not science. Science is evidence-based, the Bible is fantasy/faith-based. And also, you Christians can't even agree on the most essential doctrines of Christianity. Is God 3 Persons or 3 Modes of God or ... ? Is Jesus both fully human and fully divine? Is one saved by grace through faith alone? Is it "once saved, always saved", or is it not? Is hell really eternal, or is it not? Must Christians continue to keep the Sabbath? I can go on and on forever.

Also, don't forget the clear contradictions in the Bible.

So as you say to me the one making the claim has the responsibility to prove the claim. I'm guessing there isn't enough time for them to do this.

Sounds like you're not up to date with the latest scientific discoveries, and how predictions made by well-established scientific theories have come to pass successfully. Well, that's your problem, not the scientists. If you don't want to read and learn, then fine. Stick to your silly Bible. But don't blame scientists for your wilful ignorance.

They are even making up stories about killer particles that can destroy galaxies and even the whole universe, they couldn't possibly know of such a particle and live to tell about it, now how stupid is that and you all call me gullible.

Would you like to be more specific here? Maybe link me to an article? And how would you know they couldn't possibly know of such particles/whatever? Are you all of a sudden a better scientist then they are?

And you are gullible as fuck, no question about that.

As for evolution, until someone can prove that new information can be added to DNA naturally then tho whole of evolution is dead, it has never been proven and it never will be, end of story. Write all you want I will not waste my time with trying to answer 10 or more people in the same thread and about the same post. Good night and sweet dreams.

And here comes the special creationist talk. What do you mean by "new information"? And why can't things we observe as natural happen naturally? And why haven't you bothered to look up the clear and overwhelming evidence for evolution? Is it because you're an idiot?

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In a nuclear bomb, a small bit of mass is converted into energy. In nuclear reactions, it is common for energy to be converted into mass.

You were claiming that life is a form of energy and hence would have to be conserved. But, if it is *transformed* into, say, heat, or chemical energy, that is quite enough to satisfy the conservation of energy. So the conservation of energy has *nothing* to do with whether life comes from life.

Furthermore, because of the aspects of general relativity (see above), it isn't possible, often, to even define a 'total energy'. This is one of the reasons it is possible to get a 'universe from nothing'.

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Nope. Even if energy has always existed, that doesn't mean *life* has always existed. First, since life isn't a form of energy. Second, because there is no guarantee energy will stay the same *type* of energy. Life converting into heat, or electrical energy would be just as good.

Also, light sn't a supernatural entity. It is an electromagnetic wave. So, unless you are lcaiming your deity is an electromagnetic wave, your deity cannot be light.

Finally, light isn't, itself, a form of energy. It *has* energy, just like mass does. But it is not, itself energy. It has other properties than just its energy, like its momentum and angular momentum.

In other words, you have terribly confused God, light, energy, and life. None of the four is equal to any of the others.

Look, I'm telling you exactly what the Bible states, life = energy.

In him was life; and the life was the light of men - John 1:4

If life can exist after death of the body then is has to be some form of energy, you cannot say that life cannot exist after death because you don't know; but if life is energy then according to science it continues to exist...

Like I've said, it's funny how science seems to corroborate what the bible has been saying all along.

Where is the word for "energy" in the Bible? Are you serious?

[CapnAwesome]

Christianity is the best religion because you'll have a god that you can trust to lead you to the light, a god that will help you through dark times.

Why do atheists have aversion to the fact that there is an afterlife and that there is a god?

Does any atheists care to respond?

There is no god, sorry.

[Huggy Bear]

Is there anything a person can’t believe in based on faith, Huggy?

Let me also add some other questions for Huggy.

1.5 billion Muslims also have faith that their god exists. 1 billion Hindus also have faith that their god exists.

So, tell us, how can faith be a reliable path to truth, if it can lead billions of people to the wrong god?

And here we are, unconvinced that any gods exist, and do not find faith to be a virtue (for me, faith is tantamount to gullibility), with equally unevidenced theistic claims to judge.

First of all the Muslim religion was founded by descendants of Abraham, through Ishmael, so essentially it's the same God, the Muslims just went in a different direction, therefore Islam is not original it's a derivative of the one true God of Abraham in times before the introduction of the Law.

The problem with Islam is that they do not recognize Jesus as the Messiah, but neither do the Jews, BUT the bible states that all Israel will be saved, no such provision is made for those of the Muslim faith.

As far as Hinduism, that along with every other mythology based religion is derived from ancient Babylonian mythology... the same with some supposed christian religions like the Roman Catholicism, which is also derived from ancient Babylonian mythology.

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To all the rest who replied to my post I'm not going to get into a running battle with you there are to many wanting replies and I haven't the time so here is how it will stand.

In other words, "bla bla bla".

astrophysics has told so many contradicting stories about the universe on so many subjects and so many levels that it is a joke of science,

It's called progress ... advancement in knowledge, adjusting views and beliefs in light of new evidence and better logic.

Also, didn't you just diss someone for shitting on physics (even though she actually didn't)? How hypocritical can you get?

The Scientist can't agree on anything so they all promote their own fairy tales and yes that's what they are because none of them can be proven and most of what they claim hasn't been seen to exist,

Scientists agree on many things to do with the universe. For example, they agree with the basics of astronomy (the sun is a star, the earth and other planets revolve around the sun, the moon does not emit light of its own, the Solar System is just a small regional part of the Milky Way galaxy). They generally agree that the universe is expanding, that the universe is 13-14 billion years old, that time is relative to the observer, and that spacetime bends. That some scientists disagree with some of these more advanced views does not mean that they're not directly/indirectly based on both conclusive evidence and sound logic.

The silly Bible may be a collection of fairy tales, but not science. Science is evidence-based, the Bible is fantasy/faith-based. And also, you Christians can't even agree on the most essential doctrines of Christianity. Is God 3 Persons or 3 Modes of God or ... ? Is Jesus both fully human and fully divine? Is one saved by grace through faith alone? Is it "once saved, always saved", or is it not? Is hell really eternal, or is it not? Must Christians continue to keep the Sabbath? I can go on and on forever.

Also, don't forget the clear contradictions in the Bible.

So as you say to me the one making the claim has the responsibility to prove the claim. I'm guessing there isn't enough time for them to do this.

Sounds like you're not up to date with the latest scientific discoveries, and how predictions made by well-established scientific theories have come to pass successfully. Well, that's your problem, not the scientists. If you don't want to read and learn, then fine. Stick to your silly Bible. But don't blame scientists for your wilful ignorance.

They are even making up stories about killer particles that can destroy galaxies and even the whole universe, they couldn't possibly know of such a particle and live to tell about it, now how stupid is that and you all call me gullible.

Would you like to be more specific here? Maybe link me to an article? And how would you know they couldn't possibly know of such particles/whatever? Are you all of a sudden a better scientist then they are?

And you are gullible as fuck, no question about that.

As for evolution, until someone can prove that new information can be added to DNA naturally then tho whole of evolution is dead, it has never been proven and it never will be, end of story. Write all you want I will not waste my time with trying to answer 10 or more people in the same thread and about the same post. Good night and sweet dreams.

And here comes the special creationist talk. What do you mean by "new information"? And why can't things we observe as natural happen naturally? And why haven't you bothered to look up the clear and overwhelming evidence for evolution? Is it because you're an idiot?

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Look, I'm telling you exactly what the Bible states, life = energy.


If life can exist after death of the body then is has to be some form of energy, you cannot say that life cannot exist after death because you don't know; but if life is energy then according to science it continues to exist...

Like I've said, it's funny how science seems to corroborate what the bible has been saying all along.

Where is the word for "energy" in the Bible? Are you serious?

Light...

[GrandizerII]

The problem with Islam is that they do not recognize Jesus as the Messiah, but neither do the Jews, BUT the bible states that all Israel will be saved, no such provision is made for those of the Muslim faith.

They do see Isa (Jesus) as the Maseeh (Messiah). What are you talking about?

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Light...

Where's the "energy" part?

[Huggy Bear]

The problem with Islam is that they do not recognize Jesus as the Messiah, but neither do the Jews, BUT the bible states that all Israel will be saved, no such provision is made for those of the Muslim faith.

They do see Isa (Jesus) as the Maseeh (Messiah). What are you talking about?

The ancient Hebrews believed the Messiah was to be God incarnate, Islam does not accept the deity of Jesus Christ.

Light...

Where's the "energy" part?

What creates light? You can't separate light from energy.