Near Death Experience Study Opinions?

[orthodox-man]

Howdy all,

I recently found out that Sam Parnia (researcher of Near Death Experiences) was on the Dr. Oz show, as one of the other users on here started a thread on that. As some of you probably remember, Parnia is the doctor responsible for the AWARE studies, where he is trying to scientifically test Near Death Experiences.

For those who are unaware, the AWARE study has many tests put in place that attempt to study 

a) what happens to the brain at "death"

b) attempts to test when experiences occur, (if NDEs are true, then they should occur when the brain is absolutely dormant)

c) sets up hidden images as targets in places in the hospital room above the patients bed to see whether or not a patient claiming to have hovered over their bodies during an operation can identify these targets. If they can actually identify these targets without prior knowledge of targets being there, this could be big.

 I'm sure you are well aware of the first aware study done a few years ago which basically failed. Parnia did not prove anything big. However, now he is working on aware ii, which is supposed to be published in about 2020 or 2021. This time, he hoped to get more people, and put targets in more rooms to try to prove OBEs. While aware ii is still going on, Parnia has recently been coming on to tv and saying that he has scientific proof that a life after death exists. I wanted to ask you your opinion on:

1) Do you think this means that some patients he is using for aware ii have already seen hidden targets during their OBEs?

2) do you think that even though this study is supposed to be scientific that he may be biased and lie about NDEs being proof of a life after death?

I just don't know what to think of this.

https://www.doctoroz.com/episode/medical...6849591001

[GrandizerII]

For fuck's sake ...

It's pretty clear nothing we say will ever convince you, and we've tried our best to address all this for you time and time again. So why keep repeating the same questions over and over? If you don't want to be convinced, you won't ever be convinced! Keep clinging to your bullshit, I don't care. Just don't act like you care about the truth.

And no, you do know what you think of this, lol ...

[Minimalist]

Ho-hum.  Dr. Oz, huh?  Do you consider that grad school?

Science writer Mike McRae has noted "While Parnia's work contributes valuable data to understanding NDE as a cultural phenomenon, his speculations do indeed sit on the brink of pseudoscience."[29] Neurologist Michael O'Brien has written that "most people would not find it necessary to postulate such a separation between mind and brain to explain the events," and suggested that further research is likely to provide a physical explanation for near-death experiences.[5] The psychologist Susan Blackmore appeared with Parnia and Peter Fenwick on a BBC documentary called "The Day I Died" and disagreed with their interpretations of NDEs, finding purely physical explanations to be more plausible.[

From the Wiki link on Parnia.

[The Grand Nudger]

Ah, Dr Oz, the journal where every credible researcher goes to publish their groundbreaking "scientific proof".

[KevinM1]

Ah, Dr Oz, the journal where every credible researcher goes to publish their groundbreaking "scientific proof".

Between all the 'super foods' and 'miracle cures' he regularly discovers, I'm surprised he even has the time to talk about this kind of 'groundbreaking research'.

[zebo-the-fat]

I have no interest in near death experience, I want evidence of a post death experience

[JackRussell]

The clue is in the word 'near'. Seen lots of dead bodies.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

I have no interest in near death experience, I want evidence of a post death experience

Outstandingly good point. People have 'near' death experiences all the time. For instance, shitting yourself just before that runaway bus turns you into meat salsa qualifies as an 'experience'.

Boru

[Brian37]

Howdy all,

I recently found out that Sam Parnia (researcher of Near Death Experiences) was on the Dr. Oz show, as one of the other users on here started a thread on that. As some of you probably remember, Parnia is the doctor responsible for the AWARE studies, where he is trying to scientifically test Near Death Experiences.

For those who are unaware, the AWARE study has many tests put in place that attempt to study 

a) what happens to the brain at "death"

b) attempts to test when experiences occur, (if NDEs are true, then they should occur when the brain is absolutely dormant)

c) sets up hidden images as targets in places in the hospital room above the patients bed to see whether or not a patient claiming to have hovered over their bodies during an operation can identify these targets. If they can actually identify these targets without prior knowledge of targets being there, this could be big.

 I'm sure you are well aware of the first aware study done a few years ago which basically failed. Parnia did not prove anything big. However, now he is working on aware ii, which is supposed to be published in about 2020 or 2021. This time, he hoped to get more people, and put targets in more rooms to try to prove OBEs. While aware ii is still going on, Parnia has recently been coming on to tv and saying that he has scientific proof that a life after death exists. I wanted to ask you your opinion on:

1) Do you think this means that some patients he is using for aware ii have already seen hidden targets during their OBEs?

2) do you think that even though this study is supposed to be scientific that he may be biased and lie about NDEs being proof of a life after death?

I just don't know what to think of this.

https://www.doctoroz.com/episode/medical...6849591001

The only real study that can be had on this subject is the psychological reason gullible people buy BULLSHIT.

"Near" does not mean "after", that gives it away right there.

If surviving death were possible you could come back from decapitation.

If you come out of that window then you were NEVER DEAD. If you go beyond that window, YOU STAY DEAD.

It is possible for a doctor or nurse to not find vitals, but have a patient come out of that window. That does not mean the person was dead.

[vorlon13]

Wasn't it Dr Oz with the miracle cure beet juice and romaine lettuce based cancer fighting theraputic douche ??


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