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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
May 10, 2018 at 9:25 pm
(May 10, 2018 at 9:22 pm)Hammy Wrote: (May 10, 2018 at 9:03 pm)robvalue Wrote: I can stand here just saying everything is "evidence" of non-design too. How do we decide who is right? Who can produce the most incredulity?
The funny thing is that whatever possible apparent designer there can be evidence of the one type of designer that there definitely isn't any evidence of is a designer 'outside the universe' which is precisely the kind of designer that is being claimed. An unapparent designer cannot be apparent just as there can be no evidence of anything that can't be evident to an observer in the natural world.
Since the universe is fine-tuned and had a beginning the Designer/Creator transcends the universe/space/time.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
May 10, 2018 at 9:25 pm
(May 10, 2018 at 8:57 pm)CDF47 Wrote: (May 10, 2018 at 8:56 pm)Tizheruk Wrote: No you didn't you just spewed a bunch of ID new speak . As if that solved the issue .
Yes, I have. I stated my own opinion. bold mine.
Your opinion isn't a fact. It's an opinion.
From google: *bold mine*
o·pin·ion
əˈpinyən/
noun
- a view or judgment formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge.
Are you sure you actually received an education beyond third grade?
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
May 10, 2018 at 9:26 pm
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Quote:I settled for proof which I finally found.
You lazily settled for pseudoscience garbage . That was feed to you like a pig in a trof
Quote: From there I turned to theology.
From their you turned toi lazy make believe .
Quote:I realized the system I was in was apostate as well and left that too.
You exchanged reason for servantuide to superstition
Quote:I am now a non-denominational Christian.
Fence sitter
Quote: I studied the basics of the other religions as well.
Yeah and studied harry potter same shit .
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
May 10, 2018 at 9:27 pm
(May 10, 2018 at 9:25 pm)Joods Wrote: (May 10, 2018 at 8:57 pm)CDF47 Wrote: Yes, I have. I stated my own opinion. bold mine.
Your opinion isn't a fact. It's an opinion.
From google: *bold mine*
o·pin·ion
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Are you sure you actually received an education beyond third grade?
Ouch, a personal insult from some poster on the Internet. Feelings are hurt...LOL
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
May 10, 2018 at 9:27 pm
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Quote:Since the universe is fine-tuned and had a beginning the Designer/Creator transcends the universe/space/time.
Assertion assertion and assertion
Quote:Ouch, a personal insult from some poster on the Internet. Feelings are hurt...LOL
Yeah your right you would need a sense of dignity to feel insulted .That's clearly no issue for you .
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
May 10, 2018 at 9:30 pm
(May 10, 2018 at 9:25 pm)CDF47 Wrote: (May 10, 2018 at 9:22 pm)Hammy Wrote: The funny thing is that whatever possible apparent designer there can be evidence of the one type of designer that there definitely isn't any evidence of is a designer 'outside the universe' which is precisely the kind of designer that is being claimed. An unapparent designer cannot be apparent just as there can be no evidence of anything that can't be evident to an observer in the natural world.
Since the universe is fine-tuned and had a beginning the Designer/Creator transcends the universe/space/time.
So basically everything needs a cause except for a supernatural deity because you say so?
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
May 10, 2018 at 9:30 pm
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Yup, neither of those things have been demonstrated.
Fine tuning is particularly funny to me because it suggests God went through two "design" stages. The first one was to sabotage himself so badly that he could only receive the results he wanted in one particular way. Even then, he could still only just succeed in the most marginal way possible (life being able to exist in virtually 0% of the environment created for it).
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
May 10, 2018 at 9:31 pm
(May 10, 2018 at 9:20 pm)CDF47 Wrote: (May 10, 2018 at 9:15 pm)Tizheruk Wrote: No you didn't you just settled for a comforting non explanation. And no you left the freedom of unbelief and snared yourself in the web of creationist absurdity .
I settled for proof which I finally found. From there I turned to theology. I realized the system I was in was apostate as well and left that too. I am now a non-denominational Christian. I studied the basics of the other religions as well.
Oh Oh... careful... that's theology. We don't wanna talk about that in this thread, remember?
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
May 10, 2018 at 9:31 pm
(May 10, 2018 at 9:27 pm)Tizheruk Wrote: Quote:Since the universe is fine-tuned and had a beginning the Designer/Creator transcends the universe/space/time.
Assertion assertion and assertion
Quote:Ouch, a personal insult from some poster on the Internet. Feelings are hurt...LOL
Yeah your right you would need a sense of dignity to feel insulted .That's clearly no issue for you .
Oh I have dignity, just not the type that some Internet troll can affect with their nonsense. Following of Richard Dawkins lead to ridicule and mock believers, I get it.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
May 10, 2018 at 9:34 pm
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(May 10, 2018 at 9:30 pm)robvalue Wrote: Yup, neither of those things have been demonstrated.
Fine tuning is particularly funny to me because it suggests God went through two "design" stages. The first one was to sabotage himself so badly that he could only receive the results he wanted in one particular way. Even then, he could still only just succeed in the most marginal way possible (life being able to exist in virtually 0% of the environment created for it).
The whole so-called 'argument' just stems from an incoherent premise. The idea that the beginning of anything existing at all the way it does could be 'improbable'.
The anthropic principle deals with it easily. If only 0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.01% of possible worlds can have life in them then we're clearly in that possible world. That's not improbable... that's certain.
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