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RE: What is your problem with Atheism?
May 31, 2018 at 1:33 pm
(May 29, 2018 at 11:17 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: It doesn't accept what is the most worthy of loving and knowing.
The real world and its inhabitants are what *I* deem most worthy of loving and knowing. A genuine god, should one actually exist, doesn't need our attention at all.
Quote:It denies the journey and path to ascension.
What journey? What path to ascension? Just a myth, IMO.
Quote:It neglects the justice and makes it impossible by denying everlasting - reward and punishment.
Everlasting reward and punishment are anti-justice. It is impossible for anyone to do anything in a finite lifetime that justifies eternal payback of any sort. Literally impossible.
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RE: What is your problem with Atheism?
May 31, 2018 at 6:19 pm
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Guys...the point of the thread is asking what Theists from their point of view, have a problem with Atheism.
Atheism denies goodness as is from my perspective. Sure it can make some carbon copy of goodness and take features of it, but the true spirit of goodness, the heart of that lies in worship of God, and appreciating his greatest favors, and recognizing his bounties and his holy names that have come to this world, and his holy names are the leaders and guides, the images of God he has chosen for himself, those created upon the light of himself, the face of his that remains.
Goodness - is defined in loving those who are instances of the name of God. Those who are the means to God and appreciating the journey to God and his help each time he helps us, his power every time he empowers us, and embracing his holy sword that is with us, mainly the guide of the time.
If you understand my perspective, you are going against the heart of goodness, which is love of the family of Taha and Yaseen.
You may say what about Christians and Jews, etc, well, they work with former images of God and if they come to recognizie further proofs of people appointed by God but turn away from them after clear guidance from God regarding the matter, that is the heart of evil per their religion as well.
The path is through the those who are instances of God's word brought to life, the word of truth by which people disputes.
The words of God are by which he guides and verifies the truth.
Humanity needs God and his words/images/lights to unite on the truth.
From my perspective - the problems in the world all stem from rebellion to God or insincerity to him or a playful attitude towards his sacred names and religion.
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RE: What is your problem with Atheism?
May 31, 2018 at 6:21 pm
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(May 29, 2018 at 11:14 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: It denies what is bigger and more important then even all humans combined like it doesn't matter when it's the most important thing to hold on to.
The very idea that there is something "bigger than the universe" is just silly.
(May 29, 2018 at 11:58 pm)ignoramus Wrote: You have deeply offended my delicate carefully constructed lack of belief.
Theists generally tell me :If you don't believe in God, you don't believe in anything.
I say to them: If you don't believe in the natural world around you, make some shit up instead!
I once had a therapist, who was supposed to be unbiased on religious matters, respond to myself saying I was an atheist with "So you believe in NOTHING then?"
To which I said "You're confusing atheism with absolute nihilism."
She soon shut the fuck up.
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RE: What is your problem with Atheism?
May 31, 2018 at 6:29 pm
I'd say my issue isn't with atheism, but with some atheists who say hurtful things to disparage people who aren't atheists, and are just believers minding their own business.
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RE: What is your problem with Atheism?
May 31, 2018 at 6:30 pm
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(May 30, 2018 at 1:59 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: Atheism undermines the values of Western liberal democracy, such as the existential equality of all human beings, human dignity, and inalienable rights.
lol
Atheism and liberalism aren't only very compatible but atheists are more likely to be liberal than theists are.
The Bible on the other hand has been used by racists and sexists and homophobes to justify racism and sexism and homophobia throughout history.
Whereas on atheism there's no reason to justify differences between groups of people. We're all thrown into this world together.
So . . .
(May 30, 2018 at 2:10 pm)Succubus Wrote: (May 30, 2018 at 1:59 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: Atheism undermines the values of Western liberal democracy, such as the existential equality of all human beings, human dignity, and inalienable rights.
Flame bait!
It's basically a troll post because it's provocative but he hasn't done it repeatedly yet so it's not trolling yet.
"Making provocative posts" is confusing though because provocation isn't necessarily negative. You can provoke positive responses and be provocative in a positive way. Being thought-provoking is being provocative in a positive way. So what the rule actually means is "Making negatively provocative posts" and negativity is entirely subjective.
But Neo definitely isn't thought-provoking with that shit
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RE: What is your problem with Atheism?
May 31, 2018 at 6:38 pm
(May 31, 2018 at 6:19 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: Guys...the point of the thread is asking what Theists from their point of view, have a problem with Atheism.
Atheism denies goodness as is from my perspective. Sure it can make some carbon copy of goodness and take features of it, but the true spirit of goodness, the heart of that lies in worship of God, and appreciating his greatest favors, and recognizing his bounties and his holy names that have come to this world, and his holy names are the leaders and guides, the images of God he has chosen for himself, those created upon the light of himself, the face of his that remains.
Goodness - is defined in loving those who are instances of the name of God. Those who are the means to God and appreciating the journey to God and his help each time he helps us, his power every time he empowers us, and embracing his holy sword that is with us, mainly the guide of the time.
If you understand my perspective, you are going against the heart of goodness, which is love of the family of Taha and Yaseen.
You may say what about Christians and Jews, etc, well, they work with former images of God and if they come to recognizie further proofs of people appointed by God but turn away from them after clear guidance from God regarding the matter, that is the heart of evil per their religion as well.
The path is through the those who are instances of God's word brought to life, the word of truth by which people disputes.
The words of God are by which he guides and verifies the truth.
Humanity needs God and his words/images/lights to unite on the truth.
From my perspective - the problems in the world all stem from rebellion to God or insincerity to him or a playful attitude towards his sacred names and religion.
So your entire problem with atheism is that we don't share your conclusions about reality? That seems rather petty, doesn't it?
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RE: What is your problem with Atheism?
May 31, 2018 at 6:38 pm
(May 30, 2018 at 2:24 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: (May 30, 2018 at 1:59 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: Atheism undermines the values of Western liberal democracy, such as the existential equality of all human beings, human dignity, and inalienable rights.
Neo makes a clear appeal to consequences, yet he maintains he's not in it for the swag. I call bullshit.
He's a theist! Of course he's in it for the swag!
Whoops, time for a thread!
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RE: What is your problem with Atheism?
May 31, 2018 at 6:42 pm
(May 31, 2018 at 6:38 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: (May 31, 2018 at 6:19 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: Guys...the point of the thread is asking what Theists from their point of view, have a problem with Atheism.
Atheism denies goodness as is from my perspective. Sure it can make some carbon copy of goodness and take features of it, but the true spirit of goodness, the heart of that lies in worship of God, and appreciating his greatest favors, and recognizing his bounties and his holy names that have come to this world, and his holy names are the leaders and guides, the images of God he has chosen for himself, those created upon the light of himself, the face of his that remains.
Goodness - is defined in loving those who are instances of the name of God. Those who are the means to God and appreciating the journey to God and his help each time he helps us, his power every time he empowers us, and embracing his holy sword that is with us, mainly the guide of the time.
If you understand my perspective, you are going against the heart of goodness, which is love of the family of Taha and Yaseen.
You may say what about Christians and Jews, etc, well, they work with former images of God and if they come to recognizie further proofs of people appointed by God but turn away from them after clear guidance from God regarding the matter, that is the heart of evil per their religion as well.
The path is through the those who are instances of God's word brought to life, the word of truth by which people disputes.
The words of God are by which he guides and verifies the truth.
Humanity needs God and his words/images/lights to unite on the truth.
From my perspective - the problems in the world all stem from rebellion to God or insincerity to him or a playful attitude towards his sacred names and religion.
So your entire problem with atheism is that we don't share your conclusions about reality? That seems rather petty, doesn't it?
Not really, when the reality is about moral reality. It denies the heart of goodness, and then tries to say, we can do without God and his connecting signs and proofs for it.
It's not about some physics theory or anything like that. It's not about what the sun is made out of.
It's essential question to who we are as humans. You deny our greatest asset, your greatest helper and patron, and our Master and King, our greatest reward, and the only means of justice being possible.
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RE: What is your problem with Atheism?
May 31, 2018 at 6:44 pm
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Moral realism has nothing to do with your god. Nor, for that matter, is your god even remotely essential to humanity.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: What is your problem with Atheism?
May 31, 2018 at 6:48 pm
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To like some of the details and commands of morality but hate the heart and essence of what it is, yes, is evil at it's heart. And choosing and picking from it what suits our desires is evil and injustice at the heart.
All goodness lies in following true guidance by opposing our caprice and recognizing proofs through sight of reflection, and not neglecting guidance when it contradicts our selfish caprice.
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