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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
June 8, 2018 at 1:50 pm
(June 8, 2018 at 11:15 am)CDF47 Wrote: The universe deriving from nothing is a straw man. How so?
Who says there ever was nothing? The Big Bang singularity was not "nothing" -- more like everything. It was highly-compressed matter/energy that expanded rapidly.
I suspect that the raw materials and energy that formed this universe have always existed in some form, and that creation from nothingness is not possible, even for an alleged god. If there were a sentient creator, it is not working from nothing at any point, because it cannot act without using energy; hence, energy/matter had to exist before a creator could even think of building something.
Oh, and when can we expect your unqualified retraction and apology for that "shill" nonsense? (finger hovers over speed-dial button for the Karma Faerie)
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
June 8, 2018 at 1:59 pm
(June 8, 2018 at 1:50 pm)Astreja Wrote: (June 8, 2018 at 11:15 am)CDF47 Wrote: The universe deriving from nothing is a straw man. How so?
Who says there ever was nothing? The Big Bang singularity was not "nothing" -- more like everything. It was highly-compressed matter/energy that expanded rapidly.
I suspect that the raw materials and energy that formed this universe have always existed in some form, and that creation from nothingness is not possible, even for an alleged god. If there were a sentient creator, it is not working from nothing at any point, because it cannot act without using energy; hence, energy/matter had to exist before a creator could even think of building something.
Oh, and when can we expect your unqualified retraction and apology for that "shill" nonsense? (finger hovers over speed-dial button for the Karma Faerie)
With infinite curvature of spacetime there could be no matter or energy.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
June 8, 2018 at 2:19 pm
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
June 8, 2018 at 2:28 pm
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(June 8, 2018 at 1:59 pm)CDF47 Wrote: (June 8, 2018 at 1:50 pm)Astreja Wrote: Who says there ever was nothing? The Big Bang singularity was not "nothing" -- more like everything. It was highly-compressed matter/energy that expanded rapidly.
I suspect that the raw materials and energy that formed this universe have always existed in some form, and that creation from nothingness is not possible, even for an alleged god. If there were a sentient creator, it is not working from nothing at any point, because it cannot act without using energy; hence, energy/matter had to exist before a creator could even think of building something.
Oh, and when can we expect your unqualified retraction and apology for that "shill" nonsense? (finger hovers over speed-dial button for the Karma Faerie)
With infinite curvature of spacetime there could be no matter or energy.
Look up things associated with the name “Planck”.
Trust me, there is no problem you can think of that physicist have not addressed many decades ago.
But it is not how your bullshit of intelligent design has been debunked that could ever interest you, is it?
You are not hear to getting better information about reality. You are here to try to buttress your pathetic faith in bulkshit sickeningly dear to you pitiful needy little heart by imagining you have what it takes to convince people infinitely more thoughtful and knowledgeable than you, aren’t you?
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
June 8, 2018 at 2:48 pm
(June 8, 2018 at 1:59 pm)CDF47 Wrote: With infinite curvature of spacetime there could be no matter or energy.
Most physicists consider the 'infinite curvature' issue as a sign that the theory is incomplete. Unlike in mathematics, actual infinites are problematic in physics, and unlikely to be completely accepted without confirming evidence. As has been explained to you in multiple posts, it has not been established that infinite curvature in spacetime was ever actually the case; and some reasons to think it wasn't.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
June 8, 2018 at 3:03 pm
Fundamentally on a conceptual level, the nature of reality deduced from observation loses all meaning at size scale less than 1 Planck length. So exactly what happens at that scale can’t be described with language we have thus far developed through math or physics.
So CDF’s claims about infinite curvature and zero size is bullshit that presume applicable knowledge where none exists.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
June 8, 2018 at 3:15 pm
(June 8, 2018 at 1:59 pm)CDF47 Wrote: With infinite curvature of spacetime there could be no matter or energy.
Putting aside for a moment that we don't currently know the shape of the universe and the curvature of spacetime with any certainty, wouldn't that completely rule out the possibility of an eternal god possessing any power at all? 
Oh, and...
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
June 8, 2018 at 3:41 pm
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(June 8, 2018 at 3:15 pm)Astreja Wrote: (June 8, 2018 at 1:59 pm)CDF47 Wrote: With infinite curvature of spacetime there could be no matter or energy.
Putting aside for a moment that we don't currently know the shape of the universe and the curvature of spacetime with any certainty, wouldn't that completely rule out the possibility of an eternal god possessing any power at all?
Remember, Astreja; CDF is not obligated to explain how god did any of the things he asserts he did, because, magic and mystery.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
June 8, 2018 at 4:01 pm
(June 8, 2018 at 1:59 pm)CDF47 Wrote: (June 8, 2018 at 1:50 pm)Astreja Wrote: Who says there ever was nothing? The Big Bang singularity was not "nothing" -- more like everything. It was highly-compressed matter/energy that expanded rapidly.
I suspect that the raw materials and energy that formed this universe have always existed in some form, and that creation from nothingness is not possible, even for an alleged god. If there were a sentient creator, it is not working from nothing at any point, because it cannot act without using energy; hence, energy/matter had to exist before a creator could even think of building something.
Oh, and when can we expect your unqualified retraction and apology for that "shill" nonsense? (finger hovers over speed-dial button for the Karma Faerie)
With infinite curvature of spacetime there could be no matter or energy. !fact! Redondo Beach, California adopted the Goodyear Blimp as the city's official bird in 1983.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
June 8, 2018 at 7:46 pm
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(June 8, 2018 at 2:28 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote: (June 8, 2018 at 1:59 pm)CDF47 Wrote: With infinite curvature of spacetime there could be no matter or energy.
Look up things associated with the name “Planck”.
Trust me, there is no problem you can think of that physicist have not addressed many decades ago.
But it is not how your bullshit of intelligent design has been debunked that could ever interest you, is it?
You are not hear to getting better information about reality. You are here to try to buttress your pathetic faith in bulkshit sickeningly dear to you pitiful needy little heart by imagining you have what it takes to convince people infinitely more thoughtful and knowledgeable than you, aren’t you?
No, I am not.
(June 8, 2018 at 2:48 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote: (June 8, 2018 at 1:59 pm)CDF47 Wrote: With infinite curvature of spacetime there could be no matter or energy.
Most physicists consider the 'infinite curvature' issue as a sign that the theory is incomplete. Unlike in mathematics, actual infinites are problematic in physics, and unlikely to be completely accepted without confirming evidence. As has been explained to you in multiple posts, it has not been established that infinite curvature in spacetime was ever actually the case; and some reasons to think it wasn't.
I am aware of that. I know infinite is a problem when dealing with this universe. The math turns out that way which means space goes to 0 and matter and energy go to 0.
(June 8, 2018 at 3:03 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote: Fundamentally on a conceptual level, the nature of reality deduced from observation loses all meaning at size scale less than 1 Planck length. So exactly what happens at that scale can’t be described with language we have thus far developed through math or physics.
So CDF’s claims about infinite curvature and zero size is bullshit that presume applicable knowledge where none exists.
It's the most widely accepted theory as of today.
(June 8, 2018 at 3:15 pm)Astreja Wrote: (June 8, 2018 at 1:59 pm)CDF47 Wrote: With infinite curvature of spacetime there could be no matter or energy.
Putting aside for a moment that we don't currently know the shape of the universe and the curvature of spacetime with any certainty, wouldn't that completely rule out the possibility of an eternal god possessing any power at all?
Oh, and...
(picks up phone). Hi, Sally; Astreja Odinsdóttir here. Spot of bother with a slanderous troll going by the handle "CDF47." Got any two-for-one specials on? Thinking of a localized meteorological event and maybe some workplace comeuppance. I've already got the church bus Random Equipment Malfunction covered. (listens) Já, that sounds good. Takk. (hangs up and grins like cat who swallowed the canary)
It is most likely the universe is spherical possibly. It is unknown at this time though.
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