Illegal Immigrants

[Wyrd of Gawd]

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I don't have that big of a house, but I would think that someone entering it illegally, would still be wrong.

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A house isn't equal  to a country

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Actually it would be up to those in authority of the house to decide if it was legal or not.  However; I think at this point, we are stretching the analogy a bit thin.  

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Nope still works fine you just like the end result

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If you want to change the immigration policies, I would suggest that you contact your representatives.  Or I am happy to discuss, if you have an idea.  However what you feel the immigration policy should be, I believe is a different topic from what to do with those who violate those laws.

[hide]Or we could do the far more rational thing and not follow a terrible law

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OK, so the best plan of action is for everyone to contact all of the Congress Critters and insist that the US take active steps to import all of the suffering people from all of the shithole countries around the world.  It's unfair for them to stay in their countries where they are being oppressed when they can live lives of luxury in America (and in Canada).  So as part of the plan to improve people's lives I propose that we take over Canada because it has lots of land and very few people.  Then we can develop vast tracts of land there for the foreigners to live.  We can also do the same for them in the lightly populated Rocky Mountain and Great Plains States.  

Now everyone will benefit from this.  The foreigners will work and pay all of those lovely taxes.  The foreign countries will get rid of their undesirables.  The bleeding hearts will love it because they get to feel good about taking in those huddled masses yearning to be free.  And North Korea, China, and Russia will love it because they get to send hundreds of millions of stealth troops who will overthrow the US and Canada without engaging in a direct war themselves.  The people from south of the border might hate it if they lose their special victim status but we should be able to easily cater to their special needs.  And it will make the Pope feel good.  

So the call to action is for everyone to get busy and to write all of the Congress Critters to make it possible.  Insist that we import at least 6 billion people within the next five years.  If they resist vote them out of office.  Working together we can make it happen so let's get it done!

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Do you ever stop engaging in hyperbole

You've worked hard to convince me to change my opinion and now that I'm agreeing with you it's made you upset.  Are you now saying that you don't want to flood the US and Canada with billions of asylum seekers?  We need to save the North Koreans before winter sets in and the people can't find any rats to eat.  Now that Trump and Kim are BFFs our Canadian buddies can help us out by taking a couple of million of them before October.  Right now we have our hands full with the people from south of the border but we will soon let all of them come in since the candidate for Mexican President says that they need to find better lives in America.  We could get 400 million people before the year is out.  

And our joint goal for next year is to extract all of the oppressed people from Africa.  They are having a rough time over there and need to live better lives in the US and in Canada.

[Amarok]

Let's add sarcasm and dis-ingenuousness along with hyperbole 

[henryp]

It's just something funny.  

People say "What if the Native Americans didn't let the white man in?"  

The question relies on people being self-centered, so they think "That'd be bad!" because they look at it from the white man's perspective. But if you look at it from the perspective of Native Americans (which is what would be applicable if it were a serious point), it would have been WAY better for the Naive Americans to just kill off the white people when they showed up.  

Just an amusing thing about how self-centered people are.  They identify with their race, not their position in the relationship dynamic.

It's not funny. Not by any means. The NAI were a gracious community of people, extending an olive branch (so to speak) and welcoming in people from a foreign land. What we did to them was utterly disgraceful. And now, thanks to the current administration, we have essentially slapped those wanting to come here, in the face with a double standard. What's good for the white man isn't good enough for the brown man. 

We killed the gracious people and stole their land!!!!   The moral of that tale is don't be gracious to immigrants, or they'll kill you.   That's the joke.  That if the NAI had a do-over, they should have killed all the invaders.  It's the exact opposite conclusion from what people who bring it up are getting at.

[Amarok]

We killed the gracious people and stole their land!!!!   The moral of that tale is don't be gracious to immigrants, or they'll kill you.   That's the joke.  That if the NAI had a do-over, they should have killed all the invaders.  It's the exact opposite conclusion from what people who bring it up are getting at.

Nope

[Wyrd of Gawd]

Let's add sarcasm and dis-ingenuousness along with hyperbole 

Just when your comments were convincing me of the soundness of your position you have now seemed to started to abandon your position.  It seems that now you don't want to bring all of the billions of oppressed people to the US and Canada where they can live better lives.  Have you been insincere?

Don't you want to welcome the Nigerian Christians who are being killed?  

Religious War Looms in Nigeria as Christian Body Count Climbs
"Monday, 21 May 2018 04:43 PMCurrent | Bio | Archive
   
The fate of a 15-year-old Nigerian girl could decide whether sectarian war breaks out in Nigeria, authorities warn.

Boko Haram returned 105 of the 111 girls it had abducted in February — but Leah Sharibu was not among them. The reason: The extremists said she had refused to renounce her Christian faith.

According to the Nigerian Daily Post, both the Christian Association of Nigeria (CAN) and the Pentecostal Christian Association are warning that if Sharibu dies in Boko Haram hands it could touch off a full-blown religious war. Nigeria is 50 percent Muslim, 40 percent Christian, and 10 percent indigenous beliefs."

https://www.newsmax.com/lelagilbert/nige...id/861631/

and what about those Burmese muslims who are being raped and slaughtered?  Don't you want to protect them in Calgary or Winnipeg?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NU0K45ZglYU

[Amarok]

Let's add sarcasm and dis-ingenuousness along with hyperbole 

Just when your comments were convincing me of the soundness of your position you have now seemed to started to abandon your position.  It seems that now you don't want to bring all of the billions of oppressed people to the US and Canada where they can live better lives.  Have you been insincere?

Don't you want to welcome the Nigerian Christians who are being killed?  

Religious War Looms in Nigeria as Christian Body Count Climbs
"Monday, 21 May 2018 04:43 PMCurrent | Bio | Archive
   
The fate of a 15-year-old Nigerian girl could decide whether sectarian war breaks out in Nigeria, authorities warn.

Boko Haram returned 105 of the 111 girls it had abducted in February — but Leah Sharibu was not among them. The reason: The extremists said she had refused to renounce her Christian faith.

According to the Nigerian Daily Post, both the Christian Association of Nigeria (CAN) and the Pentecostal Christian Association are warning that if Sharibu dies in Boko Haram hands it could touch off a full-blown religious war. Nigeria is 50 percent Muslim, 40 percent Christian, and 10 percent indigenous beliefs."

https://www.newsmax.com/lelagilbert/nige...id/861631/

and what about those Burmese muslims who are being raped and slaughtered?  Don't you want to protect them in Calgary or Winnipeg?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NU0K45ZglYU

I have not changed my opinion on anything .And the only one here who is  insincere is you

[Wyrd of Gawd]

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Just when your comments were convincing me of the soundness of your position you have now seemed to started to abandon your position.  It seems that now you don't want to bring all of the billions of oppressed people to the US and Canada where they can live better lives.  Have you been insincere?

Don't you want to welcome the Nigerian Christians who are being killed?  

Religious War Looms in Nigeria as Christian Body Count Climbs
"Monday, 21 May 2018 04:43 PMCurrent | Bio | Archive
   
The fate of a 15-year-old Nigerian girl could decide whether sectarian war breaks out in Nigeria, authorities warn.

Boko Haram returned 105 of the 111 girls it had abducted in February — but Leah Sharibu was not among them. The reason: The extremists said she had refused to renounce her Christian faith.

According to the Nigerian Daily Post, both the Christian Association of Nigeria (CAN) and the Pentecostal Christian Association are warning that if Sharibu dies in Boko Haram hands it could touch off a full-blown religious war. Nigeria is 50 percent Muslim, 40 percent Christian, and 10 percent indigenous beliefs."

https://www.newsmax.com/lelagilbert/nige...id/861631/

and what about those Burmese muslims who are being raped and slaughtered?  Don't you want to protect them in Calgary or Winnipeg?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NU0K45ZglYU

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I have not changed my opinion on anything .And the only one here who is  insincere is you

That's great news that you are still committed to flooding the US and Canada with asylum seekers.  Now we can get to work and bring billions of oppressed people to the US and to Canada where they can live great lives in freedom and take care of us in out dotage.  

I have to congratulate you for helping me see all of the wonderful benefits having 5 or 6 billion people in Canada and the US will bring.  It will eliminate trade wars as well as actual wars.  It will reduce if not eliminate the pollution of the oceans. It will eliminate the need for military spending because the majority of people will be living under the US federal government.  And pollution will be reduced because there will be no real need for international travel.  

We really need to get super busy and make this happen.  It will usher in a true paradise on Earth.  So let's get those letters out to all of our national leaders and get them on board to make it a reality.  What title do you want in the Eternal Front for Asylum?  Get in on the ground floor because all of the best titles will be taken in 24 hours.

[Amarok]

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That's great news that you are still committed to flooding the US and Canada will asylum seekers.  Now we can get to work and bring billions of oppressed people to the US and to Canada where they can live great lives in freedom and take care of us in out dotage.  

I have to congratulate you for helping me see all of the wonderful benefits having 5 or 6 billion people in Canada and the US will bring.  It will eliminate trade wars as well as actual wars.  It will reduce if not eliminate the pollution of the oceans. It will eliminate the need for military spending because the majority of people will be living under the US federal government.  And pollution will be reduced because there will be no real need for international travel.  

We really need to get super busy and make this happen.  It will usher in a true paradise on Earth.  So let's get those letters out to all of our national leaders and get them on board to make it a reality.  What title do you want in the Eternal Front for Asylum?  Get in on the ground floor because all of the best titles will be taken in 24 hours.

Once again my previous points stand

[Mister Agenda]

If you want to change the immigration policies, I would suggest that you contact your representatives.  Or I am happy to discuss, if you have an idea.  However what you feel the immigration policy should be, I believe is a different topic from what to do with those who violate those laws.

How about we follow the procedures in place and look to congress if we don't like them instead of playing 'hey, let's try taking their children away, that'll send a message'.

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This analogy is making my head hurt.

That's because the 'would you let someone move into your house without your permission' scenario is a terrible analogy from the start.

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You've worked hard to convince me to change my opinion and now that I'm agreeing with you it's made you upset.  Are you now saying that you don't want to flood the US and Canada with billions of asylum seekers?

No one ever tried to convince you of that. As you descend deeper and deeper into ridiculousness, there seems less and less point to reading your posts on the matter except for the train wreck fascination of finding out if you can top yourself at building ludicrous straw men.

[Wyrd of Gawd]

If you want to change the immigration policies, I would suggest that you contact your representatives.  Or I am happy to discuss, if you have an idea.  However what you feel the immigration policy should be, I believe is a different topic from what to do with those who violate those laws.

How about we follow the procedures in place and look to congress if we don't like them instead of playing 'hey, let's try taking their children away, that'll send a message'.

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This analogy is making my head hurt.

That's because the 'would you let someone move into your house without your permission' scenario is a terrible analogy from the start.

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You've worked hard to convince me to change my opinion and now that I'm agreeing with you it's made you upset.  Are you now saying that you don't want to flood the US and Canada with billions of asylum seekers?

No one ever tried to convince you of that. As you descend deeper and deeper into ridiculousness, there seems less and less point to reading your posts on the matter except for the train wreck fascination of finding out if you can top yourself at building ludicrous straw men.

It's become obvious that people who whine on behalf of asylum seekers are just posing to make themselves look empathic.  They are not really interested in helping people who are truly in need of protection from oppression around the world  They just like to raise a ruckus to get some feel good points.  

The bottom line = all of you guys are full of shit and it's obvious to everyone who has been reading this thread.