Why is it Politics has no turned into an us verses them? Why?

[GODZILLA]

Seems now when you disagree with a Trumpster they respond with: GET OVER YOU LIBTRARD CUCK!!! WE ARE WINNING THIS IS NO LONGER YOUR COUNTRY ANYMORE!!!"

OR: I'M ENJOYING ALL THESE LIBERAL TEARS!!!




Now why is it Americas political situation has now turned into what sports are. Petty rivalries and seeing the other side "loose"? It sure seems those who support Trump are more interested in seeing the "other side" get upset.

Shouldn't it be America winning is upholding our constitution, maintaining peace and helping ALL Americans?

[Amarok]

It's never not been the case in democracy look at the history of the British parliament or even the party politics or Greece and Rome .

[vulcanlogician]

The United States was intended from the beginning to be a nation of free people. We were never intended to be "great" much less "great again." Let us not forget that our constitution made provisions for slavery.

Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among
the several States which may be included within this Union, according
to their respective Numbers, which shall be determined by
adding to the whole Number of free Persons, including those bound
to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed,
three fifths of all other Persons...

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I do not wish to quarrel with any man or nation. I do not wish to split hairs, to make fine distinctions, or set myself up as better than my neighbors. I seek rather, I may say, even an excuse for conforming to the laws of the land. I am but too ready to conform to them. Indeed, I have reason to suspect myself on this head; and each year, as the tax-gatherer comes round, I find myself disposed to review the acts and position of the general and State governments, and the spirit of the people, to discover a pretext for conformity.

"We must affect our country as our parents,

And if at any time we alienate

Our love or industry from doing it honor,

We must respect effects and teach the soul

Matter of conscience and religion,

And not desire of rule or benefit."



I believe that the State will soon be able to take all my work of this sort out of my hands, and then I shall be no better a patriot than my fellow-countrymen. Seen from a lower point of view, the Constitution, with all its faults, is very good; the law and the courts are very respectable; even this State and this American government are, in many respects, very admirable, and rare things, to be thankful for, such as a great many have described them; but seen from a point of view a little higher, they are what I have described them; seen from a higher still, and the highest, who shall say what they are, or that they are worth looking at or thinking of at all?

However, the government does not concern me much, and I shall bestow the fewest possible thoughts on it. It is not many moments that I live under a government, even in this world. If a man is thought-free, fancy-free, imagination-free, that which is not never for a long time appearing to be to him, unwise rulers or reformers cannot fatally interrupt him.

I know that most men think differently from myself; but those whose lives are by profession devoted to the study of these or kindred subjects content me as little as any. Statesmen and legislators, standing so completely within the institution, never distinctly and nakedly behold it. They speak of moving society, but have no resting-place without it. They may be men of a certain experience and discrimination, and have no doubt invented ingenious and even useful systems, for which we sincerely thank them; but all their wit and usefulness lie within certain not very wide limits. They are wont to forget that the world is not governed by policy and expediency. Webster never goes behind government, and so cannot speak with authority about it. His words are wisdom to those legislators who contemplate no essential reform in the existing government; but for thinkers, and those who legislate for all time, he never once glances at the subject. I know of those whose serene and wise speculations on this theme would soon reveal the limits of his mind's range and hospitality. Yet, compared with the cheap professions of most reformers, and the still cheaper wisdom and eloquence of politicians in general, his are almost the only sensible and valuable words, and we thank Heaven for him. Comparatively, he is always strong, original, and, above all, practical. Still, his quality is not wisdom, but prudence. The lawyer's truth is not Truth, but consistency or a consistent expediency. Truth is always in harmony with herself, and is not concerned chiefly to reveal the justice that may consist with wrong-doing. He well deserves to be called, as he has been called, the Defender of the Constitution. There are really no blows to be given by him but defensive ones. He is not a leader, but a follower. His leaders are the men of '87- "I have never made an effort," he says, "and never propose to make an effort; I have never countenanced an effort, and never mean to countenance an effort, to disturb the arrangement as originally made, by which the various States came into the Union." Still thinking of the sanction which the Constitution gives to slavery, he says, "Because it was a part of the original compact- let it stand." Notwithstanding his special acuteness and ability, he is unable to take a fact out of its merely political relations, and behold it as it lies absolutely to be disposed of by the intellect- what, for instance, it behooves a man to do here in America today with regard to slavery- but ventures, or is driven, to make some such desperate answer as the following, while professing to speak absolutely, and as a private man- from which what new and singular code of social duties might be inferred? "The manner," says he, "in which the governments of those States where slavery exists are to regulate it is for their own consideration, under their responsibility to their constituents, to the general laws of propriety, humanity, and justice, and to God. Associations formed elsewhere, springing from a feeling of humanity, or any other cause, have nothing whatever to do with it. They have never received any encouragement from me, and they never will."
They who know of no purer sources of truth, who have traced up its stream no higher, stand, and wisely stand, by the Bible and the Constitution, and drink at it there with reverence and humility; but they who behold where it comes trickling into this lake or that pool, gird up their loins once more, and continue their pilgrimage toward its fountain-head.

No man with a genius for legislation has appeared in America. They are rare in the history of the world. There are orators, politicians, and eloquent men, by the thousand; but the speaker has not yet opened his mouth to speak who is capable of settling the much-vexed questions of the day. We love eloquence for its own sake, and not for any truth which it may utter, or any heroism it may inspire. Our legislators have not yet learned the comparative value of free trade and of freedom, of union, and of rectitude, to a nation. They have no genius or talent for comparatively humble questions of taxation and finance, commerce and manufactures and agriculture. If we were left solely to the wordy wit of legislators in Congress for our guidance, uncorrected by the seasonable experience and the effectual complaints of the people, America would not long retain her rank among the nations. For eighteen hundred years, though perchance I have no right to say it, the New Testament has been written; yet where is the legislator who has wisdom and practical talent enough to avail himself of the light which it sheds on the science of legislation?

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[SteelCurtain]

I object to sports rivalries being deemed petty, my good sir.

If I could take a shit on @Joods lawn the week before the Steelers kick the Ravens' ass, I probably wouldn't even do it. How's that for petty!

[Chad32]

I don't know, but I have a room mate and a good friend that I can't talk politics with, just because they're big Trump fans, and I'm not.

[brewer]

OP: It's not like the US has not experienced this type of political animosity in the past, it has, we just haven't experienced it. Well, maybe just you. The last of the 60's and most of the 70's were pretty gnarly.

[Seraphina]

There's an old saying that pre-dates all the current politics in the US - Don't discuss politics in mixed company. People get emotional and worked up about their personal beliefs and opinions. This is nothing new. Hell, the US was riven by a civil war 150 years ago over...personal beliefs and opinions.

With that said, sometimes I'm in the mood for a good political argument and when that happens, come at me, bro.

-Teresa

[The Valkyrie]

I think what the US needs is possibly another civil war.

Well, a civil war and death camps.

[Joods]

I object to sports rivalries being deemed petty, my good sir.

If I could take a shit on @Joods lawn the week before the Steelers kick the Ravens' ass, I probably wouldn't even do it. How's that for petty!

Ha! That's because you love me too much.

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And you know I'm Italian and I know Beccs and together we can do "things"

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I don't know, but I have a room mate and a good friend that I can't talk politics with, just because they're big Trump fans, and I'm not.

My very religious, best friend's husband likes the WLB. Needless to say, religion and politics are off limits.

[Chad32]

I object to sports rivalries being deemed petty, my good sir.

If I could take a shit on @Joods lawn the week before the Steelers kick the Ravens' ass, I probably wouldn't even do it. How's that for petty!

Ha!  That's because you love me too much.

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And you know I'm Italian and I know Beccs and together we can do "things"

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I don't know, but I have a room mate and a good friend that I can't talk politics with, just because they're big Trump fans, and I'm not.

My very religious, best friend's husband likes the WLB. Needless to say, religion and politics are off limits.

The roomie's not religious, but the friend is. although talking religion is definitely smoother than talking politics. He doesn't get his britches in a bunch nearly as much. Not that we discuss it much, but he has mentioned he left a church for not teaching hellfire and brimstone enough.