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RE: "Losing virginity" - what is being lost here?
September 11, 2018 at 4:14 pm
(This post was last modified: September 11, 2018 at 4:15 pm by Fake Messiah.)
Hm, I see that most of the answers - if not all - are stuck in the past. But what about new times? Like in this documentary at 3m 15s you see a group of young Muslims talking about virginity and boys say that they would find it disgusting to marry a woman that is not a virgin, but the girls are more sober. They say that it should not matter, but that love is more important and if women are punished for it so should guys be
But of course the boys are too young to be saying their own opinion, rather they just parrot what their surroundings "taught" them. I mean they don't mention woman already having kids, but just that she had some sexual experience before them.
As well as stuff like this
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https://www.dailydot.com/irl/vagina-sex-...hing-myth/
So you see there is a whole pseudoscience built around this notion of women "losing" that something as well as their innocence. But of course it is all about guys that are losers so in order to feel important they go around telling women how to behave.
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RE: "Losing virginity" - what is being lost here?
September 11, 2018 at 4:29 pm
If you've never lost your virginity to both genders, can you still be considered a virgin?
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RE: "Losing virginity" - what is being lost here?
September 11, 2018 at 4:31 pm
Dat Daily Dot, lol.
If boys didn't like a little gape..how come it's such a hot search on porn sites? God, why won't these prudes stop lying to impressionable young girls?
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RE: "Losing virginity" - what is being lost here?
September 11, 2018 at 9:28 pm
(September 11, 2018 at 2:55 am)Mathilda Wrote: In the same way as driving a brand new car off the forecourt lowers its value, or taking a toy out its box. These are important considerations if you want a good return on your investment on your daughters when you come to trade them in for other goods and services. No man is going to give you many goats for a daughter who is already pregnant with someone else's child.
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RE: "Losing virginity" - what is being lost here?
September 11, 2018 at 11:56 pm
(September 11, 2018 at 12:41 am)Fake Messiah Wrote: Really, why are religions like Christianity and Islam obsessed with virgin women? Even that notion "Losing virginity." What exactly has been "lost"? Shouldn't that be an achievement like every other time we begin a new phase in our lives like starting new job, new school, buying new car etc. And yet exploration of one's sexuality, the beginning of one's sexual life, an almost universally cherished feature of human existence, registered as a "loss".
Or "Losing innocence" - How does one become less innocent after experiencing a sexual connection for the first time?
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RE: "Losing virginity" - what is being lost here?
September 12, 2018 at 12:25 am
(September 11, 2018 at 1:52 pm)vulcanlogician Wrote: (September 11, 2018 at 12:41 am)Fake Messiah Wrote: Really, why are religions like Christianity and Islam obsessed with virgin women? Even that notion "Losing virginity." What exactly has been "lost"? Shouldn't that be an achievement like every other time we begin a new phase in our lives like starting new job, new school, buying new car etc. And yet exploration of one's sexuality, the beginning of one's sexual life, an almost universally cherished feature of human existence, registered as a "loss".
Or "Losing innocence" - How does one become less innocent after experiencing a sexual connection for the first time?
Pretty obvious, guys. It's loss of property value on your daughter's vagina. Obviously, if you were as morally enlightened a Bible-believing Christian, you'd see your daughter's vagina as some sort of "seal" on a contract that you intend to make with another family... preferably a rich family... through the bond of marriage. Duh.
That's a good explanation, VL.
Wow, women as property of their family, to be auctioned off like cattle. Great enlightenment there. It definitely fits in with what we see of the Abrahamic world-view though.
In the real (rational) world, a chick receiving her first dick is actually transitioning to a greater world where she has more options (power). Not that she is likely to enjoy that first time - guys young enough to score virgins are likely to really suck (definitely no pun intended) at giving a partner pleasure. But the young, former virgin will realize that her sexuality is a potent tool she can use to advance her own power.
Looked at that way, the reason for female sexual suppression is obvious. It's all about value and power.
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RE: "Losing virginity" - what is being lost here?
September 12, 2018 at 9:14 am
I know that virginity was never something I considered to be of any value, whether in myself or in someone else.
But then, I've always preferred strong women who can think for themselves and know what they like.
I want a partner, not a slave.
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