Perhaps African Americans Are Finally Catching On

[Athene]

I know you didn't say those things moron... That is why I pointed them out to you as this is the topic of conversation not the racist/bigotted rant you went on. I am trying to reel you back from blind angery to giving you a chance to be on topic.

I espoused no bigoted or racist views. That was all you, Sport.

And what's "angery"?

Again not my term not my idealism. The idea of black morality started in higher learning institutions directed toward black people. Here is an example of black and white morality:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9oCp7xEPFU
the above just scratches the tip of the morality ice berg but it is recognition that a dual morality os present in this country.
This is not a good thing for a unified country. MLK JR idea not mine. if we want to be one people we can not be governed by two sets of laws. we need to seek to be one nation under God. (one people one set of rules)

Oh, yeah, lol....That's just great. Fucking HOTEP "logic". 
LMFAO...I shouldn't be surprised that your simple-minded ass would see some psuedo-intellectual, reductionist Hotep horseshit as making perfect sense. Hoteps' views on 'Blackness' folks are just as narrow and idiotic as yours; They are renowned BIGOTS and relentlessly stupid conspiracy theorists.

That's why they're the target of absolute RIDICULE whenever they "weigh in" in mainstream Black spaces. 
Hoteps are regarded as a fucking side-show. A JOKE. They do not speak for Black people.

Black people at large do not want DIFFERENT laws from White people, you dolt. What "these people" want is to see is the U.S. Constitution's most basic and fundamental guarantees fulfilled for ALL citizens. The glaring truth is that the Equal Protection Clause of the 14th Amendment DOES NOT APPLY to Black people. 

Injecting your best-est brand of moral realism into the mix and and hoping it will magically compel others to accept Black people's humanity by acknowledging their individuality is tragically slow and sketchy work at best. I mean, you're a devout believer, yet you still manage to be wildly racist and an unapologetic hypocrite don't you? LOL

I understand that.. so then show me an organized group, show me leadership show me black people can unite under a banner of something greater than the individual besides the church and hatred towards white people.. Or do you not understand the point I am making? We have black people united under God... but in ever other instance I see black people united under a want or need to segregate themselves from white america. You say atheistic black are well adapted to one country one set of rules one people.. so show me the organization that supports these ideas.

Again, I completely disagree with this notion that Black people in general want to live under a different set of LAWS than White Americans just because they unite in efforts to seek FAIR and EQUAL treatment under the law AS IT ALREADY EXISTS. It's your own misperceptions and general ignorance that informs you that ANY social activism/civil rights groups that calls for adherence to the Constitution is "hating White people".

My point is that no such organization exists because not enough people support unification in america in the black community outside the church... If I am wrong show me a social organization as large as blm that supports one morality one set of law, that seeks to defend white people from the idea of white privilege or the idea whites owe black anything.

Look....You really need to get off of this "ONE" morality kick, son. Only authoritarian freakazoids roll like that.
That's your thing, not mine. Normal, freedom-loving, 'Murricans aren't feeling that shit.

We need one set of LAWS that covers the basic of morality/ethics that allow us to live in relative safety from undue harm and function as a civilized society, yes. But a country that is founded on the idea of FREEDOM must allow individuals to make moral determinations for themselves.

This "ONE morality" fantasy U.S. you keep pushing, is not a country that I would want to live in.

Thena wrote:
Lol...If such is the case, wouldn't being opposed to citizens exercising their 1st Amendment rights and their right to VOTE mean that YOU'RE the one who's actually being un-American? Let's face it; You are basing a LOT of your thoughts and questions on an authoritarian/theocratic fantasy version of America that only exists in your mind. You're a very confused man.

The Constitution is what demands a set of rules to govern all people equally, Drich. Not the church, or your Bible.

moving the goal post sport.. why do you think I keep using the term white and black morality? why do you think I have not mentioned law unless speaking of it from a different aspect? You can not deny black people do not feel the same necessity to obey 'laws as white people do.
if you think I'm wrong then you do not know or understand 'black'/American history very well
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kWeccWkpnE

Drich, this is audio of Malcolm X's final speech in 1965. Yet interestingly enough, it was clear that even HE saw the brilliance and utility in the U.S. Constitution, a he made it exceedingly clear that "The Negro must have RESPECT the White' mans LAWS" and that felt compelled to OBEY them. 
He was NOT AT ODDS with the laws themselves; He didn't trust that the government cared to ensure that the laws would be UPHELD for Black citizens. Despite whether one agrees with his solution of separatism, it's not as if his mistrust of those charged with overseeing system was unwarranted. The mistrust was was indeed warranted. The Voting Rights Act wasn't wasn't passed until that very same year; A necessity in enforcing the the existing 15th Amendment...which had been ratified almost a HUNDRED years earlier.

What would happen is we would be a divided country. we would be weaken by infighting and back biting if black 'bucks' lived by thier own rules while everyone else had to live by the constitution.

One share common morality one share common goal for the country is what MLK jr and I both say the church is the only current black organisation currently seeking to unify this country.

Show me another group, show me a country black run black lead that anyone here would be proud to call home, who would feel comfortable living with their family, black or white... Put your money where you mouth is and answer my challenge! Show me a nation, a state, a city (detroit) show me a social movement that does not involve the church, that is a shinning example of stability prosperity human rights! Even show me an ideological group who is not currently calling for racial segregation or reparations or some sort of hate towards whites.. SHOW ME SOMETHING Tangible Something equal or greater than the groups calling for white people to give up their homes or threaten more riots! and I will conceed.

No way. I'm not playing this game with you. You are not going to have me wasting my time posting links and content just so you can make up some dumb reason to slap them down and continue changing the metrics of your request over and over again. You'll do it, because you clearly DISLIKE Black people, Drich. You only tolerate select ones so long as as they profess devout Chrisitianity. There is no secular Black country, community of group that you could ever approve because you are fearful and suspicious of Black people. Where three or more of them gather, you automatically assume they're out to get to you. 

How do I know this? Because your dumb ass could EASILY find any number of U.S. Black residential communities, and Black professional, alumni, humanitarian, charitable, lifestyle, support, industry, social, political groups and associations etc that are not faith-based AND do not promote HATRED towards Whites and/or Black Supremacy with a simple fucking Google search if you were actually interested in exploring the matter with anything that even resembles objectivity.
The fact that they even have their own groups is enough for you to determine that they are united in their desire to segregate themselves from American-ism and undermine Whiteness, when the TRUTH is they come together because they are either unwelcome, underrepresented, underserved, or have their concerns dismissed in "mainstream" circles and spaces.

Again Dr. MLK jr MO for black america not mine. Why does his call to unity shame and anger you so much? Do you not even understand/know your own history? I embraced his teachings because I am bi-racial and truly felt and reality did not belong anywhere. S his teaching for the oppertuity to be one nation one people appealed to me because I never felt I belonged to either race that make me up. But unity is not what you want.. you want to scare whites with "black bucks." Which is why someone seeking a path of unity offends you so much.

I didn't say his actions shame, anger, or offend me. 
That's just some shit you came up with on your own because I didn't start weeping and promise to stop being an atheist at the mere mention of his name, I guess.


Same as your claim that I want to "scare White people" with "black bucks". More insane shit you just pulled out of your ass...Though, I do wonder if some sort of memory impairment might have a little bit to do with that one. 
I used that term in a reiteration of YOUR freak-out at the beginning of this thread. YOU are the one who was asking the forum to imagine the terror that would be unleashed in the US if Blacks starting roaming about the streets without your god, not me. 

Seriously, how can you not remember any of that? 

Maybe there's something wrong with your brain, Drich. More than the usual, I mean.

Get over yourself and your idea of black bucks. I went to a 75%black high school, and outside of the retard kid, with in a very 'small' margin of error we are all built the same. The acceptance of porn and the removal of PE and communal showers in high school created your myth. I actually feel sorry for the average black guy as he has soo much to live up to that he is bound to be a disappointment.. In fact I found the more 'bucky' the more aggressive the buck, the further he falls short. Real bucks.. Real bulls don't have anything to prove to a buck.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Buck

In post-Reconstruction United States, Black Buck was a racial slur used to describe a certain type of African American men. In particular, the caricature was used to describe black men who absolutely refused to bend to the law of white authority and were seen as irredeemably violent, rude, and lecherous.

Wtf? Tbh, I wasn't thinking about penis at all, actually. 
Odd, how my use of that term brought nothing but thoughts of Big Black Dick to mind for you, though. 

Anyhow, I really don't care about your Adventures in Cock Gazing, Drich.
Try Area 69...or whatever it's called now. 

Maybe you can drum up a little interest there.

again moron.. the man... Dr. King was a minister.. are you saying he would not extoll the values of the church and call on the whites and black alike who serve the same God, who are saved by the same Jesus Christ, who will forever share the same heaven, or the same hell, and NOT use the commonalities found in the church the laws, of the church the demand of God as a matter of our salvation to love one another, inorder to bring us together?!?!? 

Are you stupid or something?

This is the point I am making King without a doubt represents America under God striving for common unity. No other group is seeking to do that NOT affiliated with the church.

If you think otherwise if you think black people can live better off without God.. then all you have to do is provide one just one example.

There's a small minority of individuals who are too fragile to cope with life in real terms and need magical thinking to get by, I think.  But in general terms, yes, I'm quite convinced that Black people can live as well or better without religious belief. Letting go of magical thinking leaves more room for critical examination and tends to make folks a bit more proactive. It's damn sight better than waiting around on some invisible nothing to "Make it all right, someday".


So you go ahead a tell yourself whatever you need in order to be comforted, Drich. The fact of the matter is that Black atheist are here, and their numbers appear to be growing remarkably fast. I'm sure as hell not going to STOP supporting and encouraging skepticism/critical thought and encouraging Black folks to exercise their rights as Americans at your behest, just because your hysterical ass is frightened that it will make us horrible, horrible Black people "worse". 

You don't like that? Too fucking bad. 
Pray about it, deny it, or take a fucking pill.

Or all of the above. I really don't give a shit.

[Crossless2.0]

Damn, I missed you, Thena. It’s good to see you back.

[Athene]

Damn, I missed you, Thena. It’s good to see you back.

I'm only an occasional lurker on AF these days.
Drich just happened to post some shit that was so outlandishly stupid that I couldn't hold my tongue...LOL.

[Drich]

I know you didn't say those things moron... That is why I pointed them out to you as this is the topic of conversation not the racist/bigotted rant you went on. I am trying to reel you back from blind angery to giving you a chance to be on topic.

I espoused no bigoted or racist views. That was all you, Sport.

And what's "angery"?

Again not my term not my idealism. The idea of black morality started in higher learning institutions directed toward black people. Here is an example of black and white morality:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9oCp7xEPFU
the above just scratches the tip of the morality ice berg but it is recognition that a dual morality os present in this country.
This is not a good thing for a unified country. MLK JR idea not mine. if we want to be one people we can not be governed by two sets of laws. we need to seek to be one nation under God. (one people one set of rules)

Oh, yeah, lol....That's just great. Fucking HOTEP "logic". 
LMFAO...I shouldn't be surprised that your simple-minded ass would see some psuedo-intellectual, reductionist Hotep horseshit as making perfect sense. Hoteps' views on 'Blackness' folks are just as narrow and idiotic as yours; They are renowned BIGOTS and relentlessly stupid conspiracy theorists.

That's why they're the target of absolute RIDICULE whenever they "weigh in" in mainstream Black spaces. 
Hoteps are regarded as a fucking side-show. A JOKE. They do not speak for Black people.

Black people at large do not want DIFFERENT laws from White people, you dolt. What "these people" want is to see is the U.S. Constitution's most basic and fundamental guarantees fulfilled for ALL citizens. The glaring truth is that the Equal Protection Clause of the 14th Amendment DOES NOT APPLY to Black people. 

Injecting your best-est brand of moral realism into the mix and and hoping it will magically compel others to accept Black people's humanity by acknowledging their individuality is tragically slow and sketchy work at best. I mean, you're a devout believer, yet you still manage to be wildly racist and an unapologetic hypocrite don't you? LOL

I understand that.. so then show me an organized group, show me leadership show me black people can unite under a banner of something greater than the individual besides the church and hatred towards white people.. Or do you not understand the point I am making? We have black people united under God... but in ever other instance I see black people united under a want or need to segregate themselves from white america. You say atheistic black are well adapted to one country one set of rules one people.. so show me the organization that supports these ideas.

Again, I completely disagree with this notion that Black people in general want to live under a different set of LAWS than White Americans just because they unite in efforts to seek FAIR and EQUAL treatment under the law AS IT ALREADY EXISTS. It's your own misperceptions and general ignorance that informs you that ANY social activism/civil rights groups that calls for adherence to the Constitution is "hating White people".

My point is that no such organization exists because not enough people support unification in america in the black community outside the church... If I am wrong show me a social organization as large as blm that supports one morality one set of law, that seeks to defend white people from the idea of white privilege or the idea whites owe black anything.

Look....You really need to get off of this "ONE" morality kick, son. Only authoritarian freakazoids roll like that.
That's your thing, not mine. Normal, freedom-loving, 'Murricans aren't feeling that shit.

We need one set of LAWS that covers the basic of morality/ethics that allow us to live in relative safety from undue harm and function as a civilized society, yes. But a country that is founded on the idea of FREEDOM must allow individuals to make moral determinations for themselves.

This "ONE morality" fantasy U.S. you keep pushing, is not a country that I would want to live in.

Thena wrote:
Lol...If such is the case, wouldn't being opposed to citizens exercising their 1st Amendment rights and their right to VOTE mean that YOU'RE the one who's actually being un-American? Let's face it; You are basing a LOT of your thoughts and questions on an authoritarian/theocratic fantasy version of America that only exists in your mind. You're a very confused man.

The Constitution is what demands a set of rules to govern all people equally, Drich. Not the church, or your Bible.

moving the goal post sport.. why do you think I keep using the term white and black morality? why do you think I have not mentioned law unless speaking of it from a different aspect? You can not deny black people do not feel the same necessity to obey 'laws as white people do.
if you think I'm wrong then you do not know or understand 'black'/American history very well
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kWeccWkpnE

Drich, this is audio of Malcolm X's final speech in 1965. Yet interestingly enough, it was clear that even HE saw the brilliance and utility in the U.S. Constitution, a he made it exceedingly clear that "The Negro must have RESPECT the White' mans LAWS" and that felt compelled to OBEY them. 
He was NOT AT ODDS with the laws themselves; He didn't trust that the government cared to ensure that the laws would be UPHELD for Black citizens. Despite whether one agrees with his solution of separatism, it's not as if his mistrust of those charged with overseeing system was unwarranted. The mistrust was was indeed warranted. The Voting Rights Act wasn't wasn't passed until that very same year; A necessity in enforcing the the existing 15th Amendment...which had been ratified almost a HUNDRED years earlier.

What would happen is we would be a divided country. we would be weaken by infighting and back biting if black 'bucks' lived by thier own rules while everyone else had to live by the constitution.

One share common morality one share common goal for the country is what MLK jr and I both say the church is the only current black organisation currently seeking to unify this country.

Show me another group, show me a country black run black lead that anyone here would be proud to call home, who would feel comfortable living with their family, black or white... Put your money where you mouth is and answer my challenge! Show me a nation, a state, a city (detroit) show me a social movement that does not involve the church, that is a shinning example of stability prosperity human rights! Even show me an ideological group who is not currently calling for racial segregation or reparations or some sort of hate towards whites.. SHOW ME SOMETHING Tangible Something equal or greater than the groups calling for white people to give up their homes or threaten more riots! and I will conceed.

No way. I'm not playing this game with you. You are not going to have me wasting my time posting links and content just so you can make up some dumb reason to slap them down and continue changing the metrics of your request over and over again. You'll do it, because you clearly DISLIKE Black people, Drich. You only tolerate select ones so long as as they profess devout Chrisitianity. There is no secular Black country, community of group that you could ever approve because you are fearful and suspicious of Black people. Where three or more of them gather, you automatically assume they're out to get to you. 

How do I know this? Because your dumb ass could EASILY find any number of U.S. Black residential communities, and Black professional, alumni, humanitarian, charitable, lifestyle, support, industry, social, political groups and associations etc that are not faith-based AND do not promote HATRED towards Whites and/or Black Supremacy with a simple fucking Google search if you were actually interested in exploring the matter with anything that even resembles objectivity.
The fact that they even have their own groups is enough for you to determine that they are united in their desire to segregate themselves from American-ism and undermine Whiteness, when the TRUTH is they come together because they are either unwelcome, underrepresented, underserved, or have their concerns dismissed in "mainstream" circles and spaces.

Again Dr. MLK jr MO for black america not mine. Why does his call to unity shame and anger you so much? Do you not even understand/know your own history? I embraced his teachings because I am bi-racial and truly felt and reality did not belong anywhere. S his teaching for the oppertuity to be one nation one people appealed to me because I never felt I belonged to either race that make me up. But unity is not what you want.. you want to scare whites with "black bucks." Which is why someone seeking a path of unity offends you so much.

I didn't say his actions shame, anger, or offend me. 
That's just some shit you came up with on your own because I didn't start weeping and promise to stop being an atheist at the mere mention of his name, I guess.


Same as your claim that I want to "scare White people" with "black bucks". More insane shit you just pulled out of your ass...Though, I do wonder if some sort of memory impairment might have a little bit to do with that one. 
I used that term in a reiteration of YOUR freak-out at the beginning of this thread. YOU are the one who was asking the forum to imagine the terror that would be unleashed in the US if Blacks starting roaming about the streets without your god, not me. 

Seriously, how can you not remember any of that? 

Maybe there's something wrong with your brain, Drich. More than the usual, I mean.

Get over yourself and your idea of black bucks. I went to a 75%black high school, and outside of the retard kid, with in a very 'small' margin of error we are all built the same. The acceptance of porn and the removal of PE and communal showers in high school created your myth. I actually feel sorry for the average black guy as he has soo much to live up to that he is bound to be a disappointment.. In fact I found the more 'bucky' the more aggressive the buck, the further he falls short. Real bucks.. Real bulls don't have anything to prove to a buck.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Buck

In post-Reconstruction United States, Black Buck was a racial slur used to describe a certain type of African American men. In particular, the caricature was used to describe black men who absolutely refused to bend to the law of white authority and were seen as irredeemably violent, rude, and lecherous.

Wtf? Tbh, I wasn't thinking about penis at all, actually. 
Odd, how my use of that term brought nothing but thoughts of Big Black Dick to mind for you, though. 

Anyhow, I really don't care about your Adventures in Cock Gazing, Drich.
Try Area 69...or whatever it's called now. 

Maybe you can drum up a little interest there.

again moron.. the man... Dr. King was a minister.. are you saying he would not extoll the values of the church and call on the whites and black alike who serve the same God, who are saved by the same Jesus Christ, who will forever share the same heaven, or the same hell, and NOT use the commonalities found in the church the laws, of the church the demand of God as a matter of our salvation to love one another, inorder to bring us together?!?!? 

Are you stupid or something?

This is the point I am making King without a doubt represents America under God striving for common unity. No other group is seeking to do that NOT affiliated with the church.

If you think otherwise if you think black people can live better off without God.. then all you have to do is provide one just one example.

There's a small minority of individuals who are too fragile to cope with life in real terms and need magical thinking to get by, I think.  But in general terms, yes, I'm quite convinced that Black people can live as well or better without religious belief. Letting go of magical thinking leaves more room for critical examination and tends to make folks a bit more proactive. It's damn sight better than waiting around on some invisible nothing to "Make it all right, someday".


So you go ahead a tell yourself whatever you need in order to be comforted, Drich. The fact of the matter is that Black atheist are here, and their numbers appear to be growing remarkably fast. I'm sure as hell not going to STOP supporting and encouraging skepticism/critical thought and encouraging Black folks to exercise their rights as Americans at your behest, just because your hysterical ass is frightened that it will make us horrible, horrible Black people "worse". 

You don't like that? Too fucking bad. 
Pray about it, deny it, or take a fucking pill.

Or all of the above. I really don't give a shit.

SHOW ME ONE VIABLE EXAMPLE!!!!

[EgoDeath]

Yea, black people being Christians always confused me. Still, Blacks who convert to Judaism or Islam because they think they're in some way rejecting the status quo by doing so are equally confusing. They do realize that all three Abraham religions are Middle Eastern in origin... right? You're not "sticking it to the man" by becoming a Jew.

Religion is retarded, no matter which way you cut it.

[Athene]

SHOW ME ONE VIABLE EXAMPLE!!!!

Thena wrote:
Your dumb ass could EASILY find any number of U.S. Black residential communities, and Black professional, alumni, humanitarian, charitable, lifestyle, support, industry, social, political groups and associations etc that are not faith-based AND do not promote HATRED towards Whites and/or Black Supremacy with a simple fucking Google search if you were actually interested in exploring the matter with anything that even resembles objectivity.

Now, common sense alone should inform any reasonable person that there must indeed be numerous examples in any of the abovementioned categories and more. I myself, am a member of a "mainstream" professional association AND a corresponding Black professional association (both of which also heavily focus on patient advocacy) for my particular line of work. 

You asked for an example of Blacks uniting in a capacity that doesn't involve JESUS or HATING WHITE PEOPLE, all while maintaining that if Blacks unite in any capacity that they HATE WHITE PEOPLE because they're "segregating themselves"...Thus, preemptively deeming ANY answer that I may provide as "wrong" in IGNORING the fact that Black people frequently "unite" simply because they are underrepresented, underserved, or unwelcome in many circles.


Your question/request is LOADED...it contains an UNJUSTIFIED ASSUMPTION.

That is why I refuse to answer it.

[Huggy Bear]

Yea, black people being Christians always confused me. Still, Blacks who convert to Judaism or Islam because they think they're in some way rejecting the status quo by doing so are equally confusing. They do realize that all three Abraham religions are Middle Eastern in origin... right? You're not "sticking it to the man" by becoming a Jew.

Religion is retarded, no matter which way you cut it.

I am black but beautiful, O ye daughters of Jerusalem, as the tents of Cedar, as the curtains of Solomon. - Song of Solomon 1:5

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Hey Thena! Nice to see you back, missed you.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Missed you, Thena.  Happy to see that your arse-kicking skills are as formidable as ever.

Boru

[Athene]

Yea, black people being Christians always confused me. Still, Blacks who convert to Judaism or Islam because they think they're in some way rejecting the status quo by doing so are equally confusing. They do realize that all three Abraham religions are Middle Eastern in origin... right? You're not "sticking it to the man" by becoming a Jew.

Religion is retarded, no matter which way you cut it.

I am black but beautiful, O ye daughters of Jerusalem, as the tents of Cedar, as the curtains of Solomon. - Song of Solomon 1:5

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Hey Thena! Nice to see you  back, missed you.

Thanks, bruh. How's it going?

[vulcanlogician]

I agree with Huggy*... it's nice to see Thena back.




*Wow, never thought I'd ever actually type that.