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RE: Do u want there to be a God? Any God?
December 16, 2018 at 9:01 am
Really it doesn't matter if I want a god to exist, that has nothing to do with Atheism, Atheism is about what I believe to be true. I would not want a god if he was anything like the character in the bible, I'm sure anyone could think up some god with awesome features and benefits.
Your other hypothetical about someone holding a gun to my head, doesn't make much sense to me. Why do we need the guy holding a gun to our head, that is not situation where we are choosing to live or die. Why not just ask if we would rather die than live, I also think most people would rather live, not sure how this relates to Atheism.
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RE: Do u want there to be a God? Any God?
December 16, 2018 at 9:54 am
(December 16, 2018 at 6:26 am)Agnostico Wrote: Do u want there to be a God? Any God?
This question is basically asking if u want to live or die. Humans most primeval instinct is to survive any way possible. Unless ur already contemplating suicide There is no right or wrong answer to this philisophical question but there is a true and false answer. I did say any God, incuding ur own fictional God.
Yet these people would rather die. Why. Hmm complicated is the mind.
Some said "i would if........." or "i would but.........". Seems very demanding on the surface, giving god ultimatums. As if.
This typically this means they would rather live off course but still choose death usually cos of peer group pressure.
Just look at the post by Dmiitry1983. It simply read "I want eternal life". The attack that followed on this man for simply saying that was so strange.
He was shamed for having this wish of life after death. Its a reaction I don't think i've ever seen before, over a wish. I
So what makes a human mind do this, choose death over life?
Some are filled with shallow hate. They have a false impression that the world is in a terrible state. That their being oppressed
They blame their hallucinations and dreams on religion
Others are simply lying. It could be to me but its usually to themselves.
Lying to yourself is much easier than people think. Especially when ur surrounded by like minded people. Just look at religion and this, Atheism.
How about this philisophical question. "U have an option before death. Learn the truth or end your existance"
Again there is no right or wrong only true or false
So I could "want" for any sort of god I want then.
What are basically asking then if I could have anything I wanted would I have it?
This seems like a useless question to me and does nothing to address the real world.
Because there obviously isn't a god that makes all women find me sexually attractive and I certainly do not have unlimited stamina.
If you want to bring already imagined gods into it, then all the gods imagined by other people so far I would not like to be real. Particularly the abrahamic god who seems the ultimate dick.
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RE: Do u want there to be a God? Any God?
December 16, 2018 at 11:32 am
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(December 16, 2018 at 9:54 am)downbeatplumb Wrote: So I could "want" for any sort of god I want then.
What are basically asking then if I could have anything I wanted would I have it?
This seems like a useless question to me and does nothing to address the real world.
Because there obviously isn't a god that makes all women find me sexually attractive and I certainly do not have unlimited stamina.
If you want to bring already imagined gods into it, then all the gods imagined by other people so far I would not like to be real. Particularly the abrahamic god who seems the ultimate dick.
"Do u believe or disbelieve ....." is a usless question in my opinion. So was mine but as I explained, it reflects a persons tolerance to uncomfortable truths.
Yes by "any gods" i mean any gods. I picked the hindu god brahma and signed the dotted line for reincarnation into a Falcon. After that i might become a shark or somethin. Awesome.
Thats why people who are saying they'd rather die than have another life, or go to heaven, paradise are not being true to themselves cos its simply asking if u want to live or die with the bonus option feature of selecting ur next life...
Also be careful. U may be attacked for appearing to be an incel. I did
(December 16, 2018 at 9:01 am)Mr.wizard Wrote: Really it doesn't matter if I want a god to exist, that has nothing to do with Atheism.
Interesting. Death over life. Hardcore atheist
(December 16, 2018 at 7:51 am)Grandizer Wrote: No, I don't want there to be a personal [supreme] god because if this is the best world they could do, then fuck them.
Ur not happy with the world. Why is that?
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RE: Do u want there to be a God? Any God?
December 16, 2018 at 12:03 pm
Take off those blinders!
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RE: Do u want there to be a God? Any God?
December 16, 2018 at 12:55 pm
(December 16, 2018 at 11:32 am)Agnostico Wrote: (December 16, 2018 at 7:51 am)Grandizer Wrote: No, I don't want there to be a personal [supreme] god because if this is the best world they could do, then fuck them.
Ur not happy with the world. Why is that?
That's what you got out of what I said?
I like this world ok (you live with what you have), but clearly there are better possible worlds than this one, especially ones that don't include extreme forms of suffering that are found in abundance in this world.
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RE: Do u want there to be a God? Any God?
December 16, 2018 at 2:31 pm
(This post was last modified: December 16, 2018 at 2:35 pm by Simon Moon.)
(December 16, 2018 at 11:32 am)Agnostico Wrote: (December 16, 2018 at 9:54 am)downbeatplumb Wrote: So I could "want" for any sort of god I want then.
What are basically asking then if I could have anything I wanted would I have it?
This seems like a useless question to me and does nothing to address the real world.
Because there obviously isn't a god that makes all women find me sexually attractive and I certainly do not have unlimited stamina.
If you want to bring already imagined gods into it, then all the gods imagined by other people so far I would not like to be real. Particularly the abrahamic god who seems the ultimate dick.
"Do u believe or disbelieve ....." is a usless question in my opinion. So was mine but as I explained, it reflects a persons tolerance to uncomfortable truths.
You really are dense.
EVERYONE believes or disbelieves things, even you. Knowledge is a subset of belief.
All belief is, is accepting a proposition or premise as being true. That's it. One may have good reasons for their beliefs (accepting a proposition as being true), like; demonstrable evidence, and valid and sound logic, or they may have bad reasons, like; faith, old books, anecdotal evidence, feelings. But don't fool yourself, if you accept a premise of proposition as being true, you have beliefs.
If you are crossing a street, and you look both ways and see that no cars are coming and safe to cross, you BELIEVE it is safe to cross. You may also claim to KNOW it is safe to cross, but that is an additional claim on top of your beliefs. If you claim to know it is safe to cross the street, you also believe (accept as being true) it is safe to cross the street.
The Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy is considered one of the most authoritative there is. Here's their extensive article on beliefs.
https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/belief/
Quote:Yes by "any gods" i mean any gods. I picked the hindu god brahma and signed the dotted line for reincarnation into a Falcon. After that i might become a shark or somethin. Awesome.
The only type of god I wouldn't care if it existed or not, is a deist type of god. A god of first cause, so to speak. Any god that interacts with the natural universe, like any ot the theistic gods, I do not want to exist. That would mean that we live in a totalitarian universe, at the whims of a god. I despise "might makes right" human governments, I would also despise a universe governed the same way.
You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
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RE: Do u want there to be a God? Any God?
December 16, 2018 at 3:32 pm
I would really appreciate a gay God coming out. Other than that no.
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RE: Do u want there to be a God? Any God?
December 16, 2018 at 5:31 pm
god is gay. How else do you think the rainbow came about?
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RE: Do u want there to be a God? Any God?
December 16, 2018 at 5:43 pm
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Quote:"Do u believe or disbelieve ....." is a usless question in my opinion.
Well it's not it's central to understanding people
Quote:Interesting. Death over life. Hardcore atheist
Simply accepting that death may likely be the end has nothing to do with atheism as even theists can accept this idea and Atheism can't be "hardcore "
Quote: Ur not happy with the world. Why is that?
Or the world is in fact bad
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RE: Do u want there to be a God? Any God?
December 16, 2018 at 5:51 pm
The OP thinks whether we want a God to exist or not will change whether we live or die.
The typical wishful thinking of a garden variety theist.
Please do not feed the troll. This one's not even entertaining...
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