Do u want there to be a God? Any God?

[purplepurpose]

Guys this is a very philisophical question that was asked to me when I was an atheist
"Do u want there to be a God? Any God?"

Its not even about God. Its about u.
I encourage people to think deeply about this.
Understand your response for it really reflects your mindset.

What if I rephrase the question.
"A gunman has a gun to ur head. Do u want him to shoot?"
Do u want to live or die?

What if that gunman in that situation offers you to be his slave servant in his mansion as an alternative to being shot?

[Fake Messiah]

Yeah, I would like if there was like an openly gay God so that we get rainbows every day, dancing breaks every day, obviously no wars and stuff like that.

[Angrboda]

What if I rephrase the question.
"A gunman has a gun to ur head. Do u want him to shoot?"
Do u want to live or die?

It's more a vague hypothetical question, sort of, "If something, maybe it's a person, were holding something, maybe it's a gun, to one of your body parts, maybe the head, would you want that something to use that something to something your something body part?" You need to be more specific or the question simply becomes an exercise in people talking past each other because nobody knows what anybody else is referring to in the specific case. There are certainly gods that I can imagine that I would not want to exist. There are many gods I can imagine for which it would be of no particular consequence to me that they existed. The question is whether there are gods that we can imagine that you would want to exist? I suppose the answer to that has to be a very qualified yes, as there certainly can be gods that would make my existence better than it is without them, but to what point have we arrived? If a god existed that magically intervened in one out of every hundred acts of mine with bad consequences to insure those bad consequences did not occur, and did nothing else, then I'd probably want that god to exist. But that's not a particularly consequential point, as nobody is proposing the existence of such gods, and most would feel silly doing so. There is a certain sense in which many gods, or metaphysical systems of belief (religions) posit gods as cosmic horse traders, they'll give you Y if you do X. In most of those cases, it's not clear the bargain struck is a good one. Many such systems introduce hypothetical evils to be avoided by striking that bargain which may not in fact exist. The gods of Judeo-Christianity and Hinduism are such. Then the question, whether the bargain struck is a good one, depends upon whether these hypothetical harms are real? And that's a question which can't be objectively answered, so these 'bargaining' gods may or may not be desirable.

But again, what's the point? You seem to be setting us up for a bait and switch, that once we accept that any hypothetical god may be desirable that the gods that men have in mind when they use the term god may then be desirable. No, that's not the case. Moreover, I can imagine a billion and one ways the universe might be different than it is, say that money grew on trees, that don't involve gods, and I can ask the same question: Would I prefer that universe to this one? Well, maybe, but so what?

[The Grand Nudger]

If a god is holding a gun to my head then it doesn't matter what I want.  Which is pretty much the same as any common mugging.

The amusing bit is that this reformulation doesn't change my initial answer to the question. I already know that there are people in the world who will mug you. I still don't care, doesn't change the way I live my life. I sleep with my doors unlocked and I stop to ask when I see people walking on the side of the road.

[Cepheus Ace]

What if I rephrase the question.
"A gunman has a gun to ur head. Do u want him to shoot?"
Do u want to live or die?

and whats the connection between this rephrasing and the original question?

if I want to live then I don't want him to shoot,,, now this sets up the goal for me to create a situation where I am not shot and if  the gunman can't be made to not shoot me then what I want is effectively rendered irrelevant by default
BUT if I don't care and have no interest in living then why should I care if he shoots or not?

This scenario has  outcomes that are clearly defined which is living or dying.

Now what outcomes exists based on gods existence or nonexistence?  What decisions can be made based on whether or not a god exist that will have clearly defined outcomes? if a god exists and no decisions can ever be made based on his existence then its the exact same as him not existing.

[downbeatplumb]

As I'v already said I don't rate belief. I hold knowledge up as the highest form of truth.
Thought outranks belief in my book as one is based on logic while the other is based on emotion.

But an intersting issue is desire. I find this much more intersting than belief
So the question is

Do u want there to be a God? Any God?

Why? or why not?


Ive also added a political poll as im interested to learn what the political preferances of atheists are.

Define "god".

[Agnostico]

Do u want there to be a God? Any God?

This question is basically asking if u want to live or die. Humans most primeval instinct is to survive any way possible. Unless ur already contemplating suicide There is no right or wrong answer to this philisophical question but there is a true and false answer. I did say any God, incuding ur own fictional God.

Yet these people would rather die. Why. Hmm complicated is the mind.

Some said "i would if........." or "i would but.........". Seems very demanding on the surface, giving god ultimatums. As if.
This typically this means they would rather live off course but still choose death usually cos of peer group pressure.

Just look at the post by Dmiitry1983. It simply read "I want eternal life". The attack that followed on this man for simply saying that was so strange.
He was shamed for having this wish of life after death. Its a reaction I don't think i've ever seen before, over a wish. I

So what makes a human mind do this, choose death over life?
Some are filled with shallow hate. They have a false impression that the world is in a terrible state. That their being oppressed
They blame their hallucinations and dreams on religion

Others are simply lying. It could be to me but its usually to themselves.
Lying to yourself is much easier than people think. Especially when ur surrounded by like minded people. Just look at religion and this, Atheism.

How about this philisophical question. "U have an option before death. Learn the truth or end your existance"
Again there is no right or wrong only true or false

[Fake Messiah]

what makes a human mind do this, choose death over life?

I wonder that myself

[Agnostico]

what makes a human mind do this, choose death over life?

I wonder that myself

Considering I haven't a clue what u are presenting I would call it a weak justification to ur answer of wishing to die rather than living
Maybe thats your answer to what drives people to such crazy thoughts. Religion.
Hehehe, yes religion is to blame for all. Its so evil but guess what... Atheism is much more evil

[GrandizerII]

No, I don't want there to be a personal [supreme] god because if this is the best world they could do, then fuck them.

As for impersonal god, I couldn't care less. They do them, I do me.