The end of the Artic Ice Sheets?

[Jehanne]

Instead of bitching about it, start working very hard on figuring out how to live without a car. Bitching is of zero value. Living without a car is one big step forward.

its not that simple. you need cars/buses to get around now.

the amount of resources that need to be mobilized is beyond what any individual is capable of. You need every bloody govt to act lest we all get screwed.

Moving to Renewable energy requires

1. Manufacturing of solar panels, wind turbines on a much larger scale than now.
2. upgrading infrastructure to be more efficient
3. construction of dams, tidal plants, nuclear reactors where necessary
4. All ground vehicles being made to run on electricity requires the above to be finished first.

we could satisfy some of our remaining oil based needs using algae to produce oil for making some plastics and stuff etc.

then a lot of mandating needs to be done, like turn off the bloody bright lights filling our wretched cities all night every night. 



this is a lot of energy being wasted right here goddamit.

and don't get me started on what else needs to be done

Regardless, it's a beautiful scene!  Here's an image of cities that are completely dark: photo-shopped, of course:



APOD -- April 11, 2013

[Alan V]

If you have an actual argument to make, based on the facts, please do so.  

So far you seem to prefer namecalling and intimidation as methods of communication, and I can't believe you will convince anyone of anything that way.  Just the reverse.  You will give climate change activism a bad name.

And the reason is simple, and is what I have tried to point out.  You demand attention.  You make this about your own superiority instead of about the facts.

So you should be able to understand why I am concerned.

A world in which nothing is done about man caused climate change is one in which a bunch of virtue signalers stand around jerking of about their 'green' cars.

A world in which something is actually done is one in which some posers start jerking off over their green consumption, while another group of people who have actually gotten rid of their cars ridicule them.

My approach just takes the fun out of posing.

People are creatures of habit. Ask them to do too much all at once and they will fail, if they try at all. Ask them for too much again and again, and you are training them to fail, to give up, or to ignore you altogether.

That's why you need a plan with incrementally more difficult goals, and some logic to achieve a certain necessary amount in a certain time. Like what the experts are telling us.

Believe it or not, humanity is making steady progress on climate change. It will speed up in the next decade.

[Jehanne]

Believe it or not, humanity is making steady progress on climate change.  It will speed up in the next decade.

Too little too late; the rate of CO2 continues to climb:

NOAA -- CO2 trends

[fredd bear]

Believe it or not, humanity is making steady progress on climate change.  It will speed up in the next decade.

Too little too late; the rate of CO2 continues to climb:

NOAA -- CO2 trends

In about 1982, I had  a conspiracy nut friend, he was also brilliant. His greatest  concern was global warming.

Before the internet, so he corresponded and subscribed to a range of scholarly publications. It was his opinion that we needed to reduce carbon emissions by 20% THEN. That if we did not, it would be too late within  10 years.

I think his timing may have been a bit off. However, I  have a strong suspicion that it is too late now. Selfish of me I know, but I'm hoping I will be dead before climate change becomes dreadfully inconvenient to me personally. Eg first few miles inland of my city underwater, average summer temperature 50C, not enough water  to drink, that kind of thing. I think that's  all coming.

Our erstwhile chronically Catholic Prime Minister, Tony Abbot ,was and remains a climate change denier. Although no longer debatable as far as I'm concerned, there are still a distressing large number of people still refuse to accept facts. 
 Glad I never had children. Also pleased that I don't live in say Holland. I wonder how much of the UK will be flooded? 

[Alan V]

Believe it or not, humanity is making steady progress on climate change.  It will speed up in the next decade.

Too little too late; the rate of CO2 continues to climb:

NOAA -- CO2 trends

I believe CO2 is still rising on average about 2.5 ppm per year, but in 2018 the jump was even worse.  CO2 spiked upwards again even though quite a few countries are making progress.  That may be from permafrost beginning to melt and release its CO2.  I haven't read the details of more recent opinions.

"A report released yesterday by a consortium of researchers known as the Global Carbon Project finds that global carbon dioxide emissions from burning fossil fuels are likely to have increased by about 2.7 percent in 2018, after a 1.6 percent increase in 2017.  The rise comes after a three-year period in which emissions remained mostly flat—providing hope to some climate activists that global carbon emissions had reached their peak. The increases in 2017 and 2018 seem to suggest otherwise."

https://www.scientificamerican.com/artic...h-in-2018/

[Yonadav]

A world in which nothing is done about man caused climate change is one in which a bunch of virtue signalers stand around jerking of about their 'green' cars.

A world in which something is actually done is one in which some posers start jerking off over their green consumption, while another group of people who have actually gotten rid of their cars ridicule them.

My approach just takes the fun out of posing.

People are creatures of habit.  Ask them to do too much all at once and they will fail, if they try at all.  Ask them for too much again and again, and you are training them to fail, to give up, or to ignore you altogether.

That's why you need a plan with incrementally more difficult goals, and some logic to achieve a certain necessary amount in a certain time.  Like what the experts are telling us.

Believe it or not, humanity is making steady progress on climate change.  It will speed up in the next decade.

No, we are making just about no progress. And the reason that we aren't making all that much progress is because of virtue signaling posers who are quite literally selling the idea that we don't have to significantly change the way that we live, while jerking off about their 'green consumerism'.  Posers want to spend all of their time talking about climate change deniers because that gives them a ridiculously easy adversary to feel superior to, and morally jerk off over, while living lifestyles that yield a carbon footprint that is almost as bad as that of the deniers.

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I used to get ridiculed by environmentalists for my meat consumption. That's actually how I learned that ridicule is good. They called me a poser who wasn't very serious about environmentalism. Eventually, a lot of what they were saying sunk in. I am still not a vegetarian. But my meat consumption is only about a tenth of what it used to be.

[The Grand Nudger]

Is that your theory?  That virtue signalling posers are the reason for a lack of progress, or slow rate of progress....rather than the influence and entrenchment of the worlds largest and most powerful industry, for example?  

Bold theory.

[Yonadav]

Is that your theory?  That virtue signalling posers are the reason for a lack of progress, or slow rate of progress....rather than the influence and entrenchment of the worlds largest and most powerful industry, for example?  

Bold theory.

Well gosh, skippy. Now that you put it that way, it does seem obvious that some very powerful industries would lose an awful lot of their power if the posers became serious instead of just jerking of about climate change denial.

[Alan V]

Is that your theory?  That virtue signalling posers are the reason for a lack of progress, or slow rate of progress....rather than the influence and entrenchment of the worlds largest and most powerful industry, for example?  

Bold theory.

To someone who only has a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

[fredd bear]

Is that your theory?  That virtue signalling posers are the reason for a lack of progress, or slow rate of progress....rather than the influence and entrenchment of the worlds largest and most powerful industry, for example?  

Bold theory.

To someone who only has a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

Just reminded me of an old joke:

Christian missionary is trying to convert a Viking.

Viking: You say your god was nailed to a tree? Well, MY god carries fucking great hammer.