New gulf war?

[ReptilianPeon]

Listen to Ron Paul talk about the recent (presumably) false-flag attacks. As he points out, the foreign minister of Iran reminded us in a Tweet today that the vessels that were attacked were Japanese. Why would Iran attack Japanese ships when the Japanese prime minister in Iran? Does the triple-entente (of Israel, Saudi and the USA) really think people are that stupid? I guess they do. Wherever John Bolton tells me to look I look in the opposite direction! Everything the US government accuses Iran of doing, they are doing themselves!

[WinterHold]

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I wrote this topic after a very strange and furious escalation in the Middle East.
A previous post presceded this one and you can read about it here:

https://atheistforums.org/thread-58939.html

Donald Trump's role is obvious as sunlight now: the man wants a war. It will help him save his neck from his enemies' investigations in the U.S.

Other madmen who lead countries like Saudi Arabia and the UAE will eat with Trump; sharing the loot with him.

Right now, there is one scary escalation in the persian gulf:

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/05/16/polit...index.html

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/05/16/polit...index.html

Also, the Houthies in Yemen took their operations to a whole new level and began to hammer Saudi oil pipelines with drones:

http://time.com/5588819/saudi-arabia-oil...ack-yemen/



We know one thing about the U.S: it did lie once to the whole world in 2003, claiming that Saddam had WMDs. They also supported Iran's terrorists in Iraq; just like they are supporting Saudi Arabia's terrorists like MBS.

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No; if this started for real it will be a world war.

The lie was there where no WMDs

Chris Kyle (american sniper fame) documents finding the WMDs at the bottom of a cement hauling freighter they boarded his seal team had to unload by hand. at the bottom of this barge the found shipping containers which held rockets and chemical weapons. They where being moved from iraq to sirera 

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You dumb asses need to think before you speak. stop letting fake new tell you what is going on. open your eye read shite for yourself. learn some mf-ing history and look for these patterns happening in that region again and again.

I couldn't continue reading..why discuss a historical lie that caused the death of countless innocents? Iraq was invaded based on a lie, but we are not discussing Iraq now, we are discussing the OP.

How could you wash and clean a crime like the Iraq war? don't you feel shame and disgust ? thousands, if not millions were killed,tortured because of that invasion ! 

No it wasn't for a higher cause, and nothing ever justifies the death of millions. Never try to justify the crimes of criminals like Bush and Blair, asshole. That war ruined our world you fuck ! why don't you open your eyes for a change ? But I don't think a piece of shit like you would take the advice; I mean you already call the scandals of your heroes fake news!

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Does this individual's hypocrisy truly surprise people any longer?

Iran is in violation of that all important treaty you douche bags want the us to be apart of. they are building ballistic missiles that can deliver a nuclear payload!

Plus they made 5 demands 2 having the US and europe drop the censorship on ballistic missile development, meaning we can't prohibit them for making WMDs (It is confirmed they do have chemical and biological agents) now they want nukes.

They want all of their sanctions lifted and europe to buy their oil at their set market price along with the bennies of EU and the US basically paying them like clinton paid North korea not to build nuclear weapons..

So with this in mind... what hypocrisy?

Obama's plan was to pay them off till it was well outside of his presidential legacy to deal with.

Trump says he is not going to pay a bully to not blow us up in 15 years. rather if they are hell bent on a war let them know it will be their building streets and homes that will be the battle field and not our own.

in 15 years if obama's plan was allow to maturate, they could push a button and bring the war to us or anyone else on the planet.

You dumb asses need to think before you speak. stop letting fake new tell you what is going on. open your eye read shite for yourself. learn some mf-ing history and look for these patterns happening in that region again and again.

Iran has a regional agenda, it collaborates with Russia and China. But Saudi Arabia is the one that hit America in 9/11, and threatened its neighbor -Canada- with the same.
Saudi Arabia is the manufacturer of Jihadies. It's admitted by the Crown prince of Saudi Arabia, here:

https://atheistforums.org/thread-54147.h...fghanistan

You repeat the same message of Trump and his blind followers who never won but through mindless populism like a herd of goats.


That is what The Valkyrie was referring to when talking about Trump -she was referring to Trump; not you of course-, I'm sure: Trump is a hypocrite.

[WinterHold]

US policy toward Iran is all stick and no carrot

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/06/15/middl...index.html

Iran is very different to Saddam's Iraq
Unlike Saddam Hussein's Iraq in 2003, however, Iran has plenty of sticks at its disposal.
In 2003 Iraq was a shadow of its former self. I recall driving to Baghdad two years before the war and being stopped at an Iraqi Army checkpoint in the desert. The gaunt, weary troops didn't ask for our papers. They asked for food and water. By 2003 Iraq was weak and isolated. In his hour of need, no one came to Saddam's aid.
Iran is different. It has armed and trained Hezbollah, perhaps one of the most effective fighting forces in the Middle East. It has backed the Houthis in Yemen, who have managed to fight the US-backed and armed Saudi and Emirati armies to a standstill. An array of militias in Iraq receive support from Iran.

A very interesting article, but the most interesting part is how it pictured Iran; an image that the idiotic Trump administration + fan base refuses to admit: a country with many allies and firepower heavier than that of Iraq in 2003.

This is written after the tankers' incident.

[Drich]

1.  I was referring to all the times your favourite piece of shit claimed Obama was going to go to war with Iran to distract people from all his mistakes.

2.  Until now, I've always refrained from name calling in your direction.  So, don't start it with me, you pompous cunt!

wass-a-matta huh? you just found out everything you've been told about the last 20 years at war with iraq and bush was a lie, you can not refute? But somehow you want to still hold on to the new narrative the same FAKE NEWS people who lied to you about bush is telling you about trump and the only way to do that is to go through me?

Wake up you dummy, the world you live in is not the one the propaganda you listen to is telling you about.

Trump is a money man. for him to make money the country must be stable meaning not spending 2 billion dollars a day at war. that is why he was slammed by the "dims" for telling them he is pulling troops out of Syria and Afghanistan. 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A37YDaj62fI

Plus moron There is or was no collusion with Russia between him and them during the last campaign. So what is there to hide?

[The Valkyrie]

1.  I was referring to all the times your favourite piece of shit claimed Obama was going to go to war with Iran to distract people from all his mistakes.

2.  Until now, I've always refrained from name calling in your direction.  So, don't start it with me, you pompous cunt!

wass-a-matta huh? you just found out everything you've been told about the last 20 years at war with iraq and bush was a lie, you can not refute? But somehow you want to still hold on to the new narrative the same FAKE NEWS people who lied to you about bush is telling you about trump and the only way to do that is to go through me?

Wake up you dummy, the world you live in is not the one the propaganda you listen to is telling you about.

Trump is a money man. for him to make money the country must be stable meaning not spending 2 billion dollars a day at war. that is why he was slammed by the "dims" for telling them he is pulling troops out of Syria and Afghanistan. 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A37YDaj62fI

Plus moron There is or was no collusion with Russia between him and them during the last campaign. So what is there to hide?

No, dumbfuck.

I’m used to trumptards lying to promote their orange messiah. Why would an absolute cunt like you be any different?

Especially when they, like you, are too fucking dumb to come up with their own catchphrases and instead repeat without thinking those of the orange turd?

Notice how you completely ignore my second statement?

[Drich]

wass-a-matta huh? you just found out everything you've been told about the last 20 years at war with iraq and bush was a lie, you can not refute? But somehow you want to still hold on to the new narrative the same FAKE NEWS people who lied to you about bush is telling you about trump and the only way to do that is to go through me?

Wake up you dummy, the world you live in is not the one the propaganda you listen to is telling you about.

Trump is a money man. for him to make money the country must be stable meaning not spending 2 billion dollars a day at war. that is why he was slammed by the "dims" for telling them he is pulling troops out of Syria and Afghanistan. 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A37YDaj62fI

Plus moron There is or was no collusion with Russia between him and them during the last campaign. So what is there to hide?

No, dumbfuck.

I’m used to trumptards lying to promote their orange messiah.  Why would an absolute cunt like you be any different?

Especially when they, like you, are too fucking dumb to come up with their own catchphrases and instead repeat without thinking those of the orange turd?

Notice how you completely ignore my second statement?

calling a dummy is not calling you a name. calling someone a name refers to assigning a person with a label to stigmatize them despite who they really are or what they believe. for instance how you all tend to refer anyone who disagrees with you a racist or bigamist or Nazi. I may be a black female deist and people such as yourself will call me those names simply because i do not agree.

I called you a dummy because you have demonstrated (unprovoked) because you are reducing the intellectual content of your post which is the very definition of the word dumb, dummy being one who is dumb. you are appealing to personal attacks and baseless accusations. these are the hallmarks of "dumb" behavior.

So you see sport i did not ignore your second point, i simply knew it did not apply to me.

[The Valkyrie]

No, dumbfuck.

I’m used to trumptards lying to promote their orange messiah.  Why would an absolute cunt like you be any different?

Especially when they, like you, are too fucking dumb to come up with their own catchphrases and instead repeat without thinking those of the orange turd?

Notice how you completely ignore my second statement?

calling a dummy is not calling you a name. calling someone a name refers to assigning a person with a label to stigmatize them despite who they really are or what they believe. for instance how you all tend to refer anyone who disagrees with you a racist or bigamist or Nazi. I may be a black female deist and people such as yourself will call me those names simply because i do not agree.

I called you a dummy because you have demonstrated (unprovoked) because you are reducing the intellectual content of your post which is the very definition of the word dumb, dummy being one who is dumb. you are appealing to personal attacks and baseless accusations. these are the hallmarks of "dumb" behavior.

So you see sport i did not ignore your second point, i simply knew it did not apply to me.

Bullshit level: Trump

[Drich]

wass-a-matta huh? you just found out everything you've been told about the last 20 years at war with iraq and bush was a lie, you can not refute? But somehow you want to still hold on to the new narrative the same FAKE NEWS people who lied to you about bush is telling you about trump and the only way to do that is to go through me?

Wake up you dummy, the world you live in is not the one the propaganda you listen to is telling you about.

Trump is a money man. for him to make money the country must be stable meaning not spending 2 billion dollars a day at war. that is why he was slammed by the "dims" for telling them he is pulling troops out of Syria and Afghanistan. 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A37YDaj62fI

Plus moron There is or was no collusion with Russia between him and them during the last campaign. So what is there to hide?

No, dumbfuck.

I’m used to trumptards lying to promote their orange messiah.  Why would an absolute cunt like you be any different?

Especially when they, like you, are too fucking dumb to come up with their own catchphrases and instead repeat without thinking those of the orange turd?

Notice how you completely ignore my second statement?

I called you dummy as a point of fact as i explain you are dumbing down the discussion with ad hoc attacks and work primarily used to elicit an emotion response rather than having a factual debate with facts and reason. the above embolden words are the primary examples I used to determine you are indeed dumbing down the conversation..

Again what facts can be extroplated from words like dumbfuck trumptards cunt? this is a complete lack of sound reason and fact, which again is consistent with my observation and labeling you as a dummy.

[WinterHold]

https://edition.cnn.com/politics/live-ne...index.html

Iran shoots down US drone

Drums of war weren't louder. Everybody is beating them.
We know that Trump wants  this war to escape from impeachment.

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Nobody wants war but Trump.
The American UAV was shot down because it flew where it shouldn't had flown, When you cross the sovereignty of other countries; expect to be shot. Even if you're American.

This is a cheap game by Trump to flame things up and escape the investigations + impeachment + his repeated scandals.

[WinterHold]

Isn't it very ironic that just when the UN began to speak about Kashoggi again and taking a move against MBS and Saudi Arabia, an American UAV -coming from the UAE- crosses Iran's borders and gets hit?

Somebody is dragging America's leg into war. And shame on America if it let all the years of experience in politics get burned in accepting to go into a war like this.

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MBS and the UAE are dragging America into war. And their tool is Trump