Here’s my question.

[The Grand Nudger]

Laying aside the fact that your story above can’t be trusted on account of you being a pathological liar....you would only be describing what a shameful waste of good intention and effort you’ve since become if it were true.

Maybe you should go back to helping people, and spend less time obsessing over their dicks?

[Drich]

no one was forced into shite. As you so hypocritical pointed out just one post ago blacks are not the only people who are poor. when public housing was first made available it was to the standard of 1950s 1960 family who could afford a home or duplex the sqare footage in the home as well as having modern conveniences to the 1950 and 1960 where shared I know because I worked about 15 years in the projects in and around orlando and most of those project built back then are still in use. No one back then felt like they where down sized into public housing most came from shot gun single room shack with no running water and not electricity. people used still used out houses back then! My dad and his family themselves lived in an old abandon school bus set on the ground with a dirt floor they would have been happy to live in a public housing project, but where the wrong color.
So no, the VAST majority where not forced into anything. they willingly left their shite holes for modern living.

LOLOLOLOL..A few posts back you were arguing that the Blacks married and doing great. Now you're that being BARRED from owning property (while working class Whites were being given the biggest come-up in American history) and having few options other than but public housing was just dandy because Pappy says all the blacks were living in single room shacks anyway.

Goddamn, you're an ignorant MF.

post 47 shows black marriage is almost non existent. then you said you do not care or concern yourself with "white statics," which almost disqualifies yourself from any intelligent conversation in of it self. (it is also why I am not going to correct all of the emotional drivel you put up... it all seems to based on I am black and I can speak for my whole race because I am black and you a non black can not challenge me or I will deem you a racist. Again ignoring all facts recorded by the US government (AKA white stactics.)

Yeah, you are not going to be able to play the race card here with me as I am the minority in this conversation and while white's can't claim you to be a racist pos I can because your people out number mine 3 to 1 in this country and by your most strictest rules... a minority by definition can not be a racist because Racism is completely different from prejudice, because it’s systemic, as the -ism suffix connotes. I’d define racism as a political, economic or social system in which a dominant race uses its power to oppress others of different races. Again by the numbers you people have my people beat.

Oh and as far as me saying black marriage was well and good, you are right i did say this about black marriage prior to 1960. in fact before 1950 black got married at a higher rate than whites. but not now.. because 'white statics' state the opposite being true.

The rest of what you have to say seems to be a "how dare you talk about black people what gives you the right..."
and nothing seems to be based on facts of any kind or anything beside your own personal beliefs that black people are perfect commit no crimes/wrongly accused of everything and are not affected by the free sex and little to no family participation the rest of the successful world uses to establish and dominate the world with. That single mothers can do a better job than a black father AND mother can do together!

Go it.. now you got any numbers or proof aka white stats? or I'd even take black stats if recorded by a legit source... really any stats a non emotionally charged person who feels she has to say the opposite of what a non black person say about her race despite how much common sense what is being said contains.

Or maybe just show me a subculture who is raise by mom only that is fully integrated into modern society IE the world market and can do as well as anyone else.

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Laying aside the fact that your story above can’t be trusted on account of you being a pathological liar....you would only be describing what a shameful waste of good intention and effort you’ve since become if it were true.

Maybe you should go back to helping people, and spend less time obsessing over their dicks?

I've got lots and lots of pictures of camp and me teaching or big brothering. happy to share if you want.

Again it took me 15 years to learn what those black men who where originally involved in the programed learned one or two years in...

HELP is not a foundation. I can help you frame a house and hold up the walls, but at some point I have to let go of those walls and the stuff we built together has to be able to not only stand on it's own but endure the trials of life, and if you do not have a solid foundation a foundation that in this soceity requires a mother and a father, no matter what I do it will fail. 

Out of the 1000s we 'helped' I only know of a handful who made it out.

The only real way to help is at the source before vows are never taken. put a kid though a unbroken home even a bad one and he will do better than a kid who never knew his father.

[Athene]

LOLOLOLOL..A few posts back you were arguing that the Blacks married and doing great. Now you're that being BARRED from owning property (while working class Whites were being given the biggest come-up in American history) and having few options other than but public housing was just dandy because Pappy says all the blacks were living in single room shacks anyway.

Goddamn, you're an ignorant MF.

post 47 shows black marriage is almost non existent. then you said you do not care or concern yourself with "white statics," which almost disqualifies yourself from any intelligent conversation in of it self. (it is also why I am  not going to correct all of the emotional drivel you put up... it all seems to based on I am black and I can speak for my whole race because I am black and you a non black can not challenge me or I will deem you a racist. Again ignoring all facts recorded by the US government (AKA white stactics.)

Yeah, you are not going to be able to play the race card here with me as I am the minority in this conversation and while white's can't claim you to be a racist pos I can because your people out number mine 3 to 1 in this country and by your most strictest rules... a minority by definition can not be a racist because Racism is completely different from prejudice, because it’s systemic, as the -ism suffix connotes. I’d define racism as a political, economic or social system in which a dominant race uses its power to oppress others of different races. Again by the numbers you people have my people beat.

Oh and as far as me saying black marriage was well and good, you are right i did say this about black marriage prior to 1960. in fact before 1950 black got married at a higher rate than whites. but not now.. because 'white statics' state the opposite being true.

The rest of what you have to say seems to be a "how dare you talk about black people what gives you the right..."
and nothing seems to be based on facts of any kind or anything beside your own personal beliefs that black people are perfect commit no crimes/wrongly accused of everything and are not affected by the free sex and little to no family participation the rest of the successful world uses to establish and dominate the world with. That single mothers can do a better job than a black father AND mother can do together!

Go it.. now you got any numbers or proof aka white stats? or I'd even take black stats if recorded by a legit source... really any stats a non emotionally charged person who feels she has to say the opposite of what a non black person say about her race despite how much common sense what is being said contains.

Or maybe just show me a subculture who is raise by mom only that is fully integrated into modern society IE the world market and can do as well as anyone else.

LOLOLOLOLOL!    
 
Is there a little man who lives in the back of your throat who told I said all of you those things? 

You have a bad habit of outright LYING and making random accusations when you fuck up your own arguments by failing do the research, you hysterical bitch.
SHOW ME where I said all of the shit you're accusing me of, or STFU and learn to take your L's like a man.


Oh, and for the NTH fucking time, I haven't suggested that single mothers can do it better. I've suggested that women who empower themselves financially PRIOR to having children are in the best position to avoid poverty. Whether they are unmarried, marry, or marry and divorce. 
I'm well aware that most single mom's don't readily all into that category. That's why I advise women to explore their potential and seek their own financial come-up in life before having babies, regardless of what relationship they choose. That's the SHIFT that I would like to see.

You're just pissed that I won't toss on my cape to promote the traditional stay-at-home mother marriage set-up, solely and specifically.

Sorry not sorry. 

It leaves too many women unprepared to enter the workforce and at risk for poverty following divorce, so I choose to place much more emphasis and importance on self-sufficiency. If you find that threatening to "the way things should be", I don't give a shit.

[The Grand Nudger]

You should -absolutely- spend more time framing walls than obsessing over other people’s dicks, Drich.

[Drich]

post 47 shows black marriage is almost non existent. then you said you do not care or concern yourself with "white statics," which almost disqualifies yourself from any intelligent conversation in of it self. (it is also why I am  not going to correct all of the emotional drivel you put up... it all seems to based on I am black and I can speak for my whole race because I am black and you a non black can not challenge me or I will deem you a racist. Again ignoring all facts recorded by the US government (AKA white stactics.)

Yeah, you are not going to be able to play the race card here with me as I am the minority in this conversation and while white's can't claim you to be a racist pos I can because your people out number mine 3 to 1 in this country and by your most strictest rules... a minority by definition can not be a racist because Racism is completely different from prejudice, because it’s systemic, as the -ism suffix connotes. I’d define racism as a political, economic or social system in which a dominant race uses its power to oppress others of different races. Again by the numbers you people have my people beat.

Oh and as far as me saying black marriage was well and good, you are right i did say this about black marriage prior to 1960. in fact before 1950 black got married at a higher rate than whites. but not now.. because 'white statics' state the opposite being true.

The rest of what you have to say seems to be a "how dare you talk about black people what gives you the right..."
and nothing seems to be based on facts of any kind or anything beside your own personal beliefs that black people are perfect commit no crimes/wrongly accused of everything and are not affected by the free sex and little to no family participation the rest of the successful world uses to establish and dominate the world with. That single mothers can do a better job than a black father AND mother can do together!

Go it.. now you got any numbers or proof aka white stats? or I'd even take black stats if recorded by a legit source... really any stats a non emotionally charged person who feels she has to say the opposite of what a non black person say about her race despite how much common sense what is being said contains.

Or maybe just show me a subculture who is raise by mom only that is fully integrated into modern society IE the world market and can do as well as anyone else.

LOLOLOLOLOL!    
 
Is there a little man who lives in the back of your throat who told I said all of you those things? 

You have a bad habit of outright LYING and making random accusations when you fuck up your own arguments by failing do the research, you hysterical bitch.
SHOW ME where I said all of the shit you're accusing me of, or STFU and learn to take your L's like a man.

what did I accuse you of? did you not read my post? or are you in the need of a nap or is your blood sugar low? because I never accused you of anything. otherwise show me.. maybe we can work on your english definitions specifically the word accused. Or maybe conversations about race never go this far with you because the race card would have stopped everything a long time ago and your boots would have been licked clean by now, but now because the race card does not work and because You now have become the 'man' in this conversation like the man you just simply do not know where to go in the conversation beyond blind accusations and character assassination attempts. so you try and beat me down with slander 

See what happens when you always have a trump card to play? you come to rely on it so much everything of meaning goes in the toilet in exchange for a chance for playing that card. but when the card no longer applies... everything you are about becomes just opposing the other person no matter what.. No matter how much sense I make, you must take up the oppsite position just to set me up to play your card.
Here is a perfect example:

I don't actually CARE how the numbers align next to White folks; That's your deal. 
Unlike you, I don't just automatically assume that White folks know best and make it my life's mission to mirror every goddamned move they make.  
I do NOT buy that lack of good Christian marriages is the premier force driving poverty and wealth inequality in this country, nor do I believe that marriage is the optimal solution in addressing it. It's a half-assed one at best because it doesn't create any guarantee of escaping poverty, it creates a dangerously lopsided dependency that often hinges on women remaining in their husbands good graces in order to provide for themselves and their children, and it compels women to remain in situations that are abusive and unsafe because they have no options other than living poverty.

You don't like that? Too bad.
You already knew that I don't give two fucks about the Good Book. Well now you know that I don't give a fuck about respectability politics either. 

Who said it was about you? You said it was about women? who said it was about the men/father in this married couple? It's about the children you selfish pos. again despite the numbers provided by a black web site for black people you are trying to make this a white and black thing so you can play your card. You do not care about the common sense this study is built on you do not care this is not just a white model, but a world model of super powers and successful nations, you want to focus on yourself and are making a race thing in order to do so.

Oh, and for the NTH fucking time, I haven't suggested that single mothers can do it better. I've suggested that women who empower themselves financially PRIOR to having children are in the best position to avoid poverty.

are you so stupid as t truly think poverty is the worst thing to happen to a kid? do you think growing up with money ensures a well balanced healthy kid? does not wanting as a child a get out of jail free card?
Then why oh why is poverity the only subject out of this multi layered discussion are you able to speak on?

Whether they are unmarried, marry, or marry and divorce. 
I'm well aware that most single mom's don't readily all into that category. That's why I advise women to explore their potential and seek their own financial come-up in life before having babies, regardless of what relationship they choose. That's the SHIFT that I would like to see.

when will the feminazis finally understand you only represent a tiny portion of women across the world? Most women in this world WANT their traditional roles.

You're just pissed that I won't toss on my cape to promote the traditional stay-at-home mother marriage set-up, solely and specifically.

Sorry not sorry. 

look I don't care what you do, think, or play pretend with other men hating women.
All I am pointing out is by your own scientific recoging your political position is fighting against millions and millions of years of successful evolution. Evolution that assigned your gender role as well as mine. The same evolution that rewarded the strong family bonds with health wealth and technology and punished the free sex types with living in mud huts or had them remain as nomads well into the era of the industrial revolution.

but go ahead keep preaching the benefits of broken homes and unwed mothers who can at a moment notice leave her and her kids if need be so she does not feel trapped!
cause it is about women as individuals and f- the family.
(I can't wait till evolution takes you guys out)

It leaves too many women unprepared to enter the workforce and at risk for poverty following divorce, so I choose to place much more emphasis and importance on self-sufficiency. If you find that threatening to "the way things should be", I don't give a shit.

yes yes this whole subject is about women unequal pay how all men hate and beat their wives because they are racist or bigots or secretly gay or whatever you guys tell yourselves now... if it matters to anyone but you and people like you anyway have at it.

Otherwise know this discussion is about why, God is concerned with sex, and again that is the preservation of family. Fmaily you say is a woman trap...

[Drich]

Uh-oh!

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You should -absolutely- spend more time framing walls than obsessing over other people’s dicks, Drich.

again...

It's like helping someone addicted to drugs... no matter what you do no matter how much you want to help if they do not see the need to change nothing you do will ever help them. it is better to let them crash and burn hit bottom than to string them along.

Once they ask for help... or ask how it is to get better then I explain the rules to the game of 'bones.'

Just like here. when have I ever 'had the talk' with you all that one of you did not start?

[The Grand Nudger]

You should spend more time helping addicts and less time obsessing over other people’s dicks.

I don’t understand how you haven’t figured this out yet. Doing anything else would be more helpful.

[Athene]

when will the feminazis finally understand you only represent a tiny portion of women across the world? Most women in this world WANT their traditional roles.

look I don't care what you do, think, or play pretend with other men hating women.
All I am pointing out is by your own scientific recoging your political position is fighting against millions and millions of years of successful evolution. Evolution that assigned your gender role as well as mine. The same evolution that rewarded the strong family bonds with health wealth and technology and punished the free sex types with living in mud huts or had them remain as nomads well into the era of the industrial revolution.

but go ahead keep preaching the benefits of broken homes and unwed mothers who can at a moment notice leave her and her kids if need be so she does not feel trapped!
cause it is about women as individuals and f- the family.

yes yes this whole subject is about women unequal pay how all men hate and beat their wives because they are racist or bigots or secretly gay or whatever you guys tell yourselves now... if it matters to anyone but you and people like you anyway have at it.

Otherwise know this discussion is about why, God is concerned with sex, and again that is the preservation of family. Fmaily you say is a woman trap...

LOL...Encouraging women to be able to provide for themselves doesn't make a man-hating feminazi, idiot. 
I don't roll with such types, though admittedly, I don't give two shits about adhering to assigned gender roles if they get in the motherfucking way of people realizing their full HUMAN potential.

The truth is that dependency on one partner can and does result in poverty for many women and children when "traditional" marriages south. 
I've seen that happen to women with children more times than I care to count.
So yes, I think women would be better off if they let go of the mindset that they need be taken care of by others. If they delay having children and take the time to pursue the education and or training necessary to achieve financial independence they will be positioned to take care of themselves, married or not.

Incidentally, I've never told anyone "Don't get married". I've only suggested that women avoid becoming marriage dependent and relying on a spouse's income for survival; Especially if they're going to be cranking out kids.

For some families, that works out beautifully. Kudos for them. Honestly.

For a significant amount of others though, it does not. 
THOSE women often find themselves struggling to provide for their children in the event death, abandonment, or divorce, or find themselves suffering a miserable marriage and/or tolerating abuse because they fear they'll be unable to provide for their kids if they leave.

Adopting a mindset of self-reliance FIRST, THEN babies goes much further in avoiding poverty and it's many pitfalls when it comes to this particular issue.
Again, your real issue is that doesn't place your "perfect" Bible-based solution at front and center and actually acknowledges and addresses the potential problems it can present.

I reject the notions that your dumb-ass magic book holds all of the bestest solutions to life and that evolution dictates that smart, capable women should simply marry and stay home even if they don't want to. So I will continue to press forward in advising folks just as I've been doing. And guess what? I'm finding that more and more women are really starting to feel that message.

LOL...So stay mad, bitch.  

Drich wrote:
(I can't wait till evolution takes you guys out)

Oh, look. How lovely. 

Ah well...If wishes were fishes, you'd be "real" White guy and would've converted by half this forum now.
As it stands you REMAIN appearing as a robust, slightly anemic-looking Asian man, and have only managed to reinforce the notion that your god and Bible is a thoroughly fictional pile of HOT DOGSHIT.

[The Valkyrie]

Most women want to be in the roles traditionally forced upon them through years of male control! I know because a survey run by men, asking men about their wives preferences, told me so!

[Athene]

My God, the horrors of suggesting that women should consider being able to generate adequate income for themselves before having children. 
Why, the very thought of women with their own money...autonomy and choices. Well it's just..unnatural. Demonic, really.
.
Demonic feminazee-ishum. 

Oh yes...the spirit of Jezebel is on the rise, brothers. And according to the Good Book: Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live.
BURN the WITCHES! Burn them ALL, and send their wretched souls straight to HARDEES!


I mean HAYDEEZ.