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RE: How can you be sure that God doesn't exist?
August 11, 2019 at 3:20 pm
(August 11, 2019 at 3:16 pm)Brian37 Wrote: (August 11, 2019 at 3:11 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: Atheism isn’t a claim that gods don’t exist.
It is a rejection of theistic claims, however.
I’m not going to claim that there are no gods, nor am I going to accept the claims of people who say there are and that these gods speak through them, or the claims of books that show that the authors had little or no understanding of how the world works.
If a deity wabts me to believe in it then it can come and introduce itself in person.
Notice I said “believe” and not “worship”
I hate the suffix of any "ism" being attached any position.
All an an "ism" means is that the person believing it claims it.
Really? You object to words like 'socialism', 'capitalism', 'schism', 'militarism' and so on?
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RE: How can you be sure that God doesn't exist?
August 11, 2019 at 4:34 pm
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(August 11, 2019 at 1:27 pm)randomguy123 Wrote: Hi,
I am a new member here.
I made this account, largely for one simple purpose, which was to find out why you believe in what you believe.
It is not so much a quest to change you or 'convert' you, but rather to find out your beliefs and motivations. I just want to know the background you are coming from ...
As for my own identity, I am of Jewish faith, and was an ex-atheist ... So, you can get an idea about my own background.
Why do you believe that God doesn't exist?
How can you be sure that God's existence is not real, for certain?
Humanity has still not uncovered a great deal about our own existence, or what's on the other side of the universe.
If anything, one can only be agnostic, rather than an atheist.
The logic I am going by is that atheism states that only hard evidence should be used to prove or disprove something; that is after all, the scientific way. Given that there is no evidence to prove or disprove God, you can only be agnostic rather than an atheist.
For those who don't know what an agnostic is, agnostics are neutral towards the idea; they don't know if God exists or doesn't, and so are open to both possibilites, but conclude that at a human level, is impossible to know the truth.
So anyway, I would like to know why you believe that God doesn't exist?
Thank you ...
Sincerely,
- RandomGuy123
Hello new entity.
Re the bold: Um........... not. All this tells me is that you were never an atheist.
Do I know absolutely that there are no god(s), nope. But because nobody, through out recorded time, has been able to provide any evidence that would convince me that gods existed in reality, I'm going to live my life as an atheist.
I'll put it another way, god(s) exist as much as Superman exists. Get it?
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RE: How can you be sure that God doesn't exist?
August 11, 2019 at 4:41 pm
Far as I know most of the gods are already debunked. Like it is known today that all the major events described in the Bible never happened; just as ocean has been explored and nobody found Poseidon's pallace; wind gods are not neccessary; sky doesn't need to be held by some strong guy; etcetera.
But, of course, someone can always think up some new God with traits that are not easy to check (like God living in another galaxy), but still, the fact that we can neither prove nor disprove the existence of something does not put existence and non-existence on an even footing. It's not like the chances are 50/50 of God existence compared to his nonexistence.
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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RE: How can you be sure that God doesn't exist?
August 11, 2019 at 5:00 pm
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I am as sure there is no god just as much as I am sure there are no unicorns, leprechauns, Easter Bunny, Santa Claus, tooth faeries, etc. Actually I am even more sure about there being no god because if there were something as an all powerful god then we would not have to ask if he exists as it would be so Obvious! The fact there has not been a single ounce of evidence for a god says it all. Same for an after life.
These are all man made concepts that we have no reason at all to believe in. Same for psychic ability, law of Attraction, ghosts, souls, spirit guides, magic, on and on
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RE: How can you be sure that God doesn't exist?
August 11, 2019 at 5:12 pm
A god would first have to be defined in a way that was falsifiable. Perhaps then we could provide evidence of it's non-existence. Much the same way that once the Loch Ness Monster was described as a Plesiosaurus we had ways to debunk it. Plesiosaurs are extinct, the lake is only large enough to support a food supply for animals no larger than a salmon. Even with a half baked description of a god we can only prove its nonexistence to a certain degree.
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RE: How can you be sure that God doesn't exist?
August 11, 2019 at 5:57 pm
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I believe God doesn't exist because I haven't seen compelling evidence for any such entity worthy of the name. And given such a grand entity, there should be something to see by now if it did exist. Most atheists here won't go this far, though. They just they don't believe God exists.
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RE: How can you be sure that God doesn't exist?
August 11, 2019 at 6:04 pm
(August 11, 2019 at 5:00 pm)prhill Wrote: I am as sure there is no god just as much as I am sure there are no unicorns, leprechauns, Easter Bunny, Santa Claus, tooth faeries, etc. Actually I am even more sure about there being no god because if there were something as an all powerful god then we would not have to ask if he exists as it would be so Obvious! The fact there has not been a single ounce of evidence for a god says it all. Same for an after life.
These are all man made concepts that we have no reason at all to believe in. Same for psychic ability, law of Attraction, ghosts, souls, spirit guides, magic, on and on
I can agree on most of this, but can you clarify these extremist claims about the Easter Bunny??
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RE: How can you be sure that God doesn't exist?
August 11, 2019 at 6:07 pm
Also this guy has all the red flags of being a sock.
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RE: How can you be sure that God doesn't exist?
August 11, 2019 at 7:52 pm
It is clear, whenever you take a huly buuk, (any huly buuk):
Every 6th word in
every 6th paragraph on
every 6th page, you get the story of a young Velociraptor named Jürsis, the 30th child of Moshifus and Seladorni.
Jürsis, is said to be the original prankster. The secret code of 666, specifically states, the utter batshittery of believing that the creator of the universe gives a flying fuck about you.
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RE: How can you be sure that God doesn't exist?
August 11, 2019 at 10:34 pm
I think, 'how can you be sure that god doesn't exist?', is a much easier question to answer than, 'how can you be sure that god does exist?'
This is why a lot of us call ourselves agnostic atheists, because we don't have faith to fall back on, which is really just an old word for positive thinking.
And it doesn't really make sense to think positively about the existence of the absence of something.
So we just say, we don't know for sure, which would be refreshing to hear from a theist every once and a while. :-)
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