Why Red Flag Laws Won't Work.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

There is a good thing about not being a mod. I don't have to pester fellow mods with "drop the hammer" rethoric.

It helps that they've given up.

[LastPoet]

There is a good thing about not being a mod. I don't have to pester fellow mods with "drop the hammer" rethoric.

It helps that they've given up.  

I am not sure you understand.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

It helps that they've given up.  

I am not sure you understand.

My point stands.

[The Grand Nudger]

As usual, the choices aren’t any old fever dream you can conjure up. There’s no reason to lock people up without a trial ( unless they’re The Wrong Kind™ ).

All law enforcement depends on cooperation. The fact that full cooperation is a fantasy isn’t a reason not to do a large number of other things we do.

The red flags main purpose isn’t to confiscate existing firearms in the first place. It’s to prevent their acquisition. A significant number of shooters plan before they buy, and it’s at that planning phase that they’re likely to get noticed, if they get noticed.

[Brian37]

Last. I get it, but this is one issue that goes way beyond one website, to the tune of nothing getting done, to the tune of 100 people a day on average dying.

If the worst OLB gets here is offended, he still is not dead, like the epidemic of dead that I now America is capable of fixing.

OLB really has nothing to worry about if firearm safety laws are pragmatically put in use to the point of effectively reducing firearm violence to the levels of our allies like Australia and New Zealand. 

This is not a flame war. This literally is a battle for the direction of America, and not just on this website. 

If it worked like OLB claimed, nobody would be bitching, not the left, not the right. In a perfect world nobody would be bitching. But the truth is America is STILL #1 in firearm violence among our allies. If what OLB was claiming worked, we would not be #1 in firearm violence. 


OLB has unfortunately been sold fear. I will not coddle his insecurities here, anymore than I would any far right 2nd nut on Twitter or Facebook.

It really WILL  be ok, and we will NOT become a fascist state, if more people put public safety above the profits of firearm CEOS.

I understand you are passionately against guns. I am not, IMHO as Portuguese the US needs some sort of gun control. I have given ideas on how to go about that. It's all that I can do as a person having lots of ideas,  an idiot.

My point in this post is to gather yourself, attack the idea, not the person. Stay frosty.

In a funny side note while I was writing this the radio stream started playing "dancing queen". I greatly vex ABBA.

I am not passionately against guns. I am passionately against the way far too many view guns.

If guns are not toys, and they are not, and everyone agrees that we should keep them out of the wrong hands, and I agree. Then our current bullshit assumption of "no record at time of legal buy will insure nothing bad happens after that legal buy" IS BULLSHIT.

It ultimately amounts to two camps. One camp does not give a shit how many we sell or where they end up. The other camp does NOT want to ban all sales, but simply does not want a flooded market.

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I have two personal friends I would TRUST with an Ar-15 or a Tommy gun clip. The difference is that they would NOT object to a buyback program, and would NOT FALSELY accuse me of wanting tyranny. They'd simply accept they are not assholes, if it means giving up certain firearms and big clips, my GUN TOTING FRIENDS would accept that public safety is far more important than narcissism.

Public safety is not fascism, it is not an end to all firearm sales. It just means we should not make them like candy and hand them out like candy.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Meanwhile, a gun store in Texas is having a "back to school" sale.

[Brian37]

Meanwhile, a gun store in Texas is having a "back to school" sale.

Why the fuck not?

If you can sell bullet proof backpacks who gives a fuck that you are literally training kids to  accept PTSD like they were finding Waldo or learning their times tables, or learning whom Jefferson was. The more bullets, the more fear, the bigger the party, right?

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Meanwhile, a gun store in Texas is having a "back to school" sale.

Why the fuck not?

If you can sell bullet proof backpacks who gives a fuck that you are literally training kids to  accept PTSD like they were finding Waldo or learning their times tables, or learning whom Jefferson was. The more bullets, the more fear, the bigger the party, right?

Considering a couple of young people found a gun in a box, IN A CLASSROOM, and decided to play with it, I guess you're right.

[Brian37]

Why the fuck not?

If you can sell bullet proof backpacks who gives a fuck that you are literally training kids to  accept PTSD like they were finding Waldo or learning their times tables, or learning whom Jefferson was. The more bullets, the more fear, the bigger the party, right?

Considering a couple of young people found a gun in a box, IN A CLASSROOM, and decided to play with it, I guess you're right.

I wish that surprised me, but unfortunately it does not.

I may have mentioned in this thread before, in debates with my late Republican mother  whom was a lifetime teacher, to which we disagreed on everything, the one thing we did agree on is that both of us thought it was  BAT SHIT INSANE to arm more in a public school.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Considering a couple of young people found a gun in a box, IN A CLASSROOM, and decided to play with it, I guess you're right.

I wish that surprised me, but unfortunately it does not.

I may have mentioned in this thread before, in debates with my late Republican mother  whom was a lifetime teacher, to which we disagreed on everything, the one thing we did agree on is that both of us thought it was  BAT SHIT INSANE to arm more in a public school.

Nonsense! More guns always make things better.