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[Serious] Time to embrace Islam!
RE: Time to embrace Islam!
(December 2, 2019 at 7:58 pm)Paleophyte Wrote: I didn't say "hidden" I said "Failed". Revealing your message to a single mortal every few centuries is such a dismal markettng plan that no human has ever been stoopid enough to try it and that's saying a lot. Any "Deity" that has to rely on "Prophets" is a dismal failure and incompetent beyond all mortal understanding.

This deity convinced me and the remaining billions of people who found God's way of sending the prophets convincing enough. You could've said it failed if there were like fewer believers than the dodos or something.

(December 2, 2019 at 7:58 pm)Paleophyte Wrote: So God knew Communism would happen and figured the Crusades and raging anti-semitism couldn't be all that bad? Allah just called and asked you to stop defending him before you tarnish His reputation any more.

Ever heard of free will?
Don't worry about dead communists and crusaders, they have an infinitely long afterlife waiting. Just worry about yourself.
RE: Time to embrace Islam!
Free Will, isn't that the book about the Tooth Fairy's boyfriend?
RE: Time to embrace Islam!
(December 2, 2019 at 8:27 pm)Klorophyll Wrote:
(December 2, 2019 at 4:08 pm)Deesse23 Wrote: Misogyny and moral relativism. What an unsurprising combo.

Atheists are like the last people to criticize moral relativism, just preventing you from unnecessary bloodshed.  Hehe 

(December 2, 2019 at 4:16 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: Even IF the koran is as wonderful as you claim, looking at the way its teachings have been implemented and spread, including in modern times, I’ll give it a miss.

Just to give an example, it was implemented in a wonderful way in the Iberian Peninsula for like more than 800 years.

After the INVASION of the Iberian region from North Africa.

A “wonderful” religion doesn’t need to be spread by the sword.

Happy that other European powers stopped the further invasion attempts and eventually recaptured their lands.

Except Constantinople, of course...

Playing Cluedo with my mum while I was at Uni:

"You did WHAT?  With WHO?  WHERE???"
RE: Time to embrace Islam!
(December 2, 2019 at 8:41 pm)Klorophyll Wrote:
(December 2, 2019 at 7:58 pm)Paleophyte Wrote: I didn't say "hidden" I said "Failed". Revealing your message to a single mortal every few centuries is such a dismal markettng plan that no human has ever been stoopid enough to try it and that's saying a lot. Any "Deity" that has to rely on "Prophets" is a dismal failure and incompetent beyond all mortal understanding.

This deity convinced me and the remaining billions of people who found God's way of sending the prophets convincing enough. You could've said it failed if there were like fewer believers than the dodos or something.

Yeah, you're what, second best after the Christians? And you keep killing one another. Moral Message Epic Fail.

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(December 2, 2019 at 7:58 pm)Paleophyte Wrote: So God knew Communism would happen and figured the Crusades and raging anti-semitism couldn't be all that bad? Allah just called and asked you to stop defending him before you tarnish His reputation any more.

Ever heard of free will?
Don't worry about dead communists and crusaders, they have an infinitely long afterlife waiting. Just worry about yourself.

My free will does not justify your deity's incompetence. No worries about me. I wouldn't worship the idiot god that you describe if it walked up to me on the street.
RE: Time to embrace Islam!
Lol "free will"!! Imagine if a cop standing on a street and some guy was raping a woman in front of that cop and cop doesn't do anything to stop it because the rapist has a free will. Free will is a bullshit argument for people in a garbage religion of Islam.
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
RE: Time to embrace Islam!
(December 2, 2019 at 8:27 pm)Klorophyll Wrote:
(December 2, 2019 at 4:08 pm)Deesse23 Wrote: Misogyny and moral relativism. What an unsurprising combo.

Atheists are like the last people to criticize moral relativism, just preventing you from unnecessary bloodshed.  Hehe 
@AtlasS33 : this is a "tu quoque fallacy", textbook style. I hope you learned from the (bad) example of the other nutty misogynist muslim.

Back to the misogynist: Got anything substantial to say or are you still menstruating? Somebody should tell your husband to lock you away until this illness is over, or you may offend other males.

(December 2, 2019 at 8:27 pm)Klorophyll Wrote: Just to give an example, it was implemented in a wonderful way in the Iberian Peninsula for like more than 800 years.
Which "wondeful way"? The way where Al Andalus broke up after a mere 200 years into several Taifas, fighting each other to the death? Where they conspired with christians and fought along their side against fellow muslims? The way where, Almoravids and Almohads took over after figuring out iberian muslims had become weak pussies, and didnt bother to kill and enslave enough christians?

Yeah, was a fucking paradise, just like the levant and middle east ist up to day.
Cetero censeo religionem delendam esse
RE: Time to embrace Islam!
Islam is just like any other religion. Nowadays is the most violent one, but Christianity was even worse some time ago.
RE: Time to embrace Islam!
You know, Islam and Quran describe Allah to be quite a feeble God: Allah requires angels, messengers, prophets, holy books & an endless army of sheikhs, Imams & self-righteous haram police to deliver his message, but Shaytan only has to whisper to you directly!
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
RE: Time to embrace Islam!
(December 2, 2019 at 8:47 pm)no one Wrote: Free Will, isn't that the book about the Tooth Fairy's boyfriend?

No it isn't. Wanna fight ?


(December 2, 2019 at 9:16 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: After the INVASION of the Iberian region from North Africa.

A “wonderful” religion doesn’t need to be spread by the sword.

Call it invasion or whatever you want, anything that prevents people from choosing their religion for themselves should be fighted. This may seem paradoxical because of the widespread misconceptions about Islam but that's what the basic doctrine of Jihad means in oversimplified terms; removing any power who prevents people from believing (like the Soviet Union in the past).

The christian state did impose its faith upon the masses, and prosecuted all the other religious groups, including Muslims (e.g. the Inquisition). Various religious groups lived within Islamic Caliphates for a very long time, and prosecution against them very rarely came from the state.

(December 2, 2019 at 11:27 pm)Paleophyte Wrote: Yeah, you're what, second best after the Christians? And you keep killing one another. Moral Message Epic Fail.

Fastest growing religion is what matters Angel 

And all the other major religions do follow messengers, so they count somehow.

(December 2, 2019 at 11:27 pm)Paleophyte Wrote: My free will does not justify your deity's incompetence. No worries about me. I wouldn't worship the idiot god that you describe if it walked up to me on the street.

What more do you want from the deity than eternal punishment for those who deserve it? and patience for despicably vain and stupid words like these mumbled in the air without sending a lightning strike down your keyboard ?

(December 3, 2019 at 1:04 am)Fake Messiah Wrote: Lol "free will"!! Imagine if a cop standing on a street and some guy was raping a woman in front of that cop and cop doesn't do anything to stop it because the rapist has a free will. Free will is a bullshit argument for people in a garbage religion of Islam.

And what do cops do when they arrest the rapist? Put him with other rapists? Justice served.

Funny when you think you can outsmart God by these outdated objections. Begin an update please.

(December 3, 2019 at 1:51 am)Deesse23 Wrote: @AtlasS33 : this is a "tu quoque fallacy", textbook style. I hope you learned from the (bad) example of the other nutty misogynist muslim.

Back to the misogynist: Got anything substantial to say or are you still menstruating? Somebody should tell your husband to lock you away until this illness is over, or you may offend other males.

Looks like someone is running out of things to say, and of good jokes too.

Speaking of misogyny, do you know we went to war (e.g. Banu Qaynuqa) because one woman was harrased ?


(December 3, 2019 at 1:51 am)Deesse23 Wrote: Which "wondeful way"? The way where Al Andalus broke up after a mere 200 years into several Taifas, fighting each other to the death? Where they conspired with christians and fought along their side against fellow muslims? The way where, Almoravids and Almohads took over after figuring out iberian muslims had become weak pussies, and didnt bother to kill and enslave enough christians?

Yeah, was a fucking paradise, just like the levant and middle east ist up to day.

Death and fights happen you know, and more so in your bloody history of European colonization. What matters is the long-term trend of peaceful religious coexistence within the Islamic Caliphates, no such thing ever existed under any other religious state.
RE: Time to embrace Islam!
(December 3, 2019 at 5:09 am)Klorophyll Wrote:
(December 3, 2019 at 1:04 am)Fake Messiah Wrote: Lol "free will"!! Imagine if a cop standing on a street and some guy was raping a woman in front of that cop and cop doesn't do anything to stop it because the rapist has a free will. Free will is a bullshit argument for people in a garbage religion of Islam.

And what do cops do when they arrest the rapist? Put him with other rapists? Justice served.

Funny when you think you can outsmart God by these outdated objections. Begin an update please.

Point is that cops stop the rape when they see it and don't see free will as a valid argument, which can't be said about your god - but yeah, this is too complicated for you to understand.
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"



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