You can't say that anymore.

[downbeatplumb]

The idea that more guns make us safer ignores some important considerations. If everybody is armed and someone opens fire, what does everybody do?

They immediately and correctly ID the shooter.

They immediately and correctly determine if that shooter was the primary hazard or responding to another threat.

They then decide whether to shoot, based on probability that their shots will hit only the threat.

They hit the threat and only the threat.

They cease fire when the threat is down or disarmed.

They do not fire at other good guys with guns or the police when they arrive.

Yeah, right.

They did.

A couple of unpaid volunteers.


In 6 seconds.


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Why do you object?


You'd rather more people die so you can be right?

I think what would have been better if the "bad guy with a gun" didn't have a gun.

[onlinebiker]

I think what would have been better if the "bad guy with a gun" didn't have a gun.

That would be nice.


It would also be nice if nobody had nuclear weapons.


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Until you figure out how to uninvent things - we are stuck with the fact of their existance.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

I really hope you do realize that there's a quantum difference between the pocket penises and atomic weapons.

[downbeatplumb]

I think what would have been better if the "bad guy with a gun" didn't have a gun.

That would be nice.


It would also be nice if nobody had nuclear weapons.


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Until you figure out how to uninvent things - we are stuck with the fact of their existance.

No need to uninvent just properly regulate. you know, the way most of the developed world does.

We had a mass shooting banned that sort of gun. Didn't happen again.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

To rephrase OLB's argument: "You can't teach people to read until they can program in C++." A classic apples v. oranges argument.

[onlinebiker]

I really hope you do realize that there's a quantum difference between the pocket penises and atomic weapons.

Yes.

Guns and ammunition are easily manufactured by anyone with a basic knowledge of machining.

Not so much with nukes.


Of course many people seem to think you have to be a rocket scientist to build a gun...


That's because there's a whole bunch of stupid people.

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To rephrase OLB's argument: "You can't teach people to read until they can program in C++." A classic apples v. oranges argument.

Ok.... I' ll play....


To rephrase Gawdzilla' s arguement --  "I'm a hopeless out of control drunk who shouldn't be trusted with anything more dangerous than a spork. Therefore - you shouldn't be trusted with guns".



Nice - huh?

[Mister Agenda]

Note that it was already illegal for the White Settlement shooter to own a gun due to his past convictions.

[onlinebiker]

Note that it was already illegal for the White Settlement shooter to own a gun due to his past convictions.

Like " gun free zones"  - most existing gun laws only effect the law abiding, peaceful citizen - who isn't the problem in the first place

But that doesn't stop the irrational, emotionally driven anti- gun type who insists "wr gotta do SOMETHING" - regardless of the consequences of their actions....

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Ok.... I' ll play....


To rephrase Gawdzilla' s arguement --  "I'm a hopeless out of control drunk who shouldn't be trusted with anything more dangerous than a spork. Therefore - you shouldn't be trusted with guns".



Nice - huh?

As nice as you can manage, like a tricycle with two wheels.

[The Architect Of Fate]

They did.

A couple of unpaid volunteers.


In 6 seconds.


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Why do you object?


You'd rather more people die so you can be right?

Isolated incident that doesn't actually address his objections on a meta level 

And can you drop the straw men