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RE: By chance?
February 10, 2020 at 4:22 pm
I could explain it to Yukon Jack, but I can't understand it for him 
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RE: By chance?
February 10, 2020 at 5:03 pm
(February 10, 2020 at 4:22 pm)zebo-the-fat Wrote: I could explain it to Yukon Jack, but I can't understand it for him
Oh he understands it. He merely avoids anything that might perhaps poke a hole in his faith. Living in constant fear is no way for anyone to live.
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RE: By chance?
February 10, 2020 at 6:06 pm
Quote:“It doesn't matter he will keep screaming NS is random and raving that because he thinks it unlikely it is.“
Can you read?
Yup it's just everything you say is so brain numbingly dumb it's guaranteed to be fallacious,false or foolish
Quote: I said mutations are 100% random
False
Quote:and you still think owls eyes were bound to happen no matter what.
Foolish and fallacious
Quote:Did both eyes appear at the same time do you think? Or did luck govern that the second one would appear in later generations?
fallacious
Quote:How gullible you are!
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RE: By chance?
February 10, 2020 at 7:39 pm
(February 10, 2020 at 1:20 pm)Yukon_Jack Wrote: “It doesn't matter he will keep screaming NS is random and raving that because he thinks it unlikely it is.“
Can you read? I said mutations are 100% random
and you still think owls eyes were bound to happen no matter what.
Did both eyes appear at the same time do you think? Or did luck govern that the second one would appear in later generations?
How gullible you are!
A five year old child could explain why you’ve got this wrong. Would you like me to send you a five year old child?
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RE: By chance?
February 10, 2020 at 7:50 pm
(February 10, 2020 at 7:39 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: (February 10, 2020 at 1:20 pm)Yukon_Jack Wrote: “It doesn't matter he will keep screaming NS is random and raving that because he thinks it unlikely it is.“
Can you read? I said mutations are 100% random
and you still think owls eyes were bound to happen no matter what.
Did both eyes appear at the same time do you think? Or did luck govern that the second one would appear in later generations?
How gullible you are!
A five year old child could explain why you’ve got this wrong. Would you like me to send you a five year old child?
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RE: By chance?
February 10, 2020 at 8:02 pm
(February 10, 2020 at 7:50 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: (February 10, 2020 at 7:39 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: A five year old child could explain why you’ve got this wrong. Would you like me to send you a five year old child?
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RE: By chance?
February 11, 2020 at 9:06 am
(February 10, 2020 at 1:20 pm)Yukon_Jack Wrote: Did both eyes appear at the same time do you think? Or did luck govern that the second one would appear in later generations?
How gullible you are!
Yeah, were there first horses with only one leg and then they evolved other three?
But kidding aside, that's called Bilateral symmetry. 99% of organisms are bilaterally symmetric
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symmetry_in_biology
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RE: By chance?
February 11, 2020 at 9:47 am
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As a consequence of cell division, no less. An even more fundamental aspect of life's shared biological inheritance.
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RE: By chance?
February 11, 2020 at 10:53 am
If 'owl eye' spots were inevitable, all butterflies would have them. The Owl Butterfly happened to get the spots, and they were retained and developed because they provided at least a slight reproductive advantage. If it hadn't gotten the spots, we wouldn't be calling it the Owl Butterfly, we'd call it something else.
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RE: By chance?
February 11, 2020 at 5:11 pm
(February 10, 2020 at 12:20 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: (February 9, 2020 at 12:18 pm)Yukon_Jack Wrote: So someone here quoted
“The mutations may be random, the selection process is not. ”
Again, NS is wholly dependent upon 100% random mutations. Are you still denying this and calling me crazy? That’s rich
Random mutations are only a small part of natural selection. Mutations are a constant occurrence in each succeeding generation. You have 68 mutations that your parents did not have.
What drives natural selection, is the SELECTION process, which is not randfom.
Quote:NS can only keep traits caused by 100% randomness and I know “evolution “ occurs over time
No. Natural selection keeps traits because they are selected for because they instill a survival and reproductive advantage. The randomness of the mutation has nothing to do with why and how traits continue in populations.
Quote:But tell me you find it normal happenstance
That a perfect set of owls eyes will appear?
I keep bringing this up because I want to know the logistics of how you fall for this crazy lucky coincidences.
No luck involved.
Environmental pressures, put on populations, to select for traits that will instill a survival advantage, is not luck.
When humans bred wolves into dogs 10,000 years ago, was it luck that they picked the most social, and docile examples as their initial breeding stock? When they decided to breed early dogs into a dog that could hunt rabbits in holes, was it luck that they decided to pick dogs with unusually short legs (so they can more easily fit in hole) to breed into dachshunds?
The process in natural selection is no different than artificial selection. The only difference is the selection agent. Is it humans selecting for specific dog traits, or is it nature doing the selection for survival traits?
I actually did not include the importance of environmental pressures selecting against traits that are detrimental to survival.
Or, traits that have little or no survival advantages or disadvantages, being carried on, because they have no effect.
What he doesn't understand (at least one among many things), is that, eye like spots on some percentage of the population of butterflies wings could have existed for many, many generations previously, with no positive (or negative) effect on survival. Then, a new predator species could have been introduced into their environment, and now, those butterflies, with existing spots had a survival advantage. The predator would remove the butterflies with genes for no spots, and only the butterflies with spots would pass on their genetic material.
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