A possibly new perspective on this thing that we know as God.

[LastPoet]

Somebody tell this guy humans ARE animals.

Kingdom: Animalia
Phylum: Chordata
Class: Mamallia
Order: Primate
Family: Hominidae
Genus: Homo
Species: Sapiens

[Agnostico]

Hi.

So the perspective that I have is that, we will never fully and completely know God.

The only way to know God is to know His names and attributes.

Even though the human being is an animal just like all other species, we are distinct because we have a divine reality.

The human being has the potential to display all of the names and attributes of God at the highest level, that's what makes us have dominion over the animal.

The names and attributes of God are basically all of the good qualities that is possible for the human being to have, it's just that society doesn't call them that.

The human being is the most perfect of all creation.

I dunno mate, not very convincing. 

Instead of being distinct because we have "divine reality" im fairly sure science says its because we have a conscious

I think uve tried to link our consciousness with God but failed. There are explanations that make it possible in my eyes

Your explanation needs refining, to put it kindly

[LadyForCamus]

Response to 1: Your god and me, you are not necessary. Stop preaching.

Response to 2: I call you a liar because your original post didn't say "I'm this religion and here to answer questions, please ask me". The OP stated religious beliefs. Do I need to copy/paste?

Response to 3: Nice non-responsive dodge.

On to the questions:

Chimps and birds invent tools.

I don't have an animal example of technology. Have you ever thought that they don't find it necessary? To bad they can't invent killing machines, right?

Ants and bees build cities for themselves all of the time.

Apes build social states/civilizations. So do insects. They even go to war.

Yes, animals can and have gone into space. (oops, maybe you should be more careful with your questions)

You were mistaken on all of the questions positions but one. Better that you don't play this childish game. And even it I answered no to all of the questions I would not consider that a valid argument for your religion or god. Bottom line, you don't get to argue a god into existence, and that wasn't even a good argument.

Your god is a figment of the human imagination. One that you probably wouldn't have come up with on your own, it's the result of religious programming you've received.

1. That's essentially what I just said.

2. This is not about me changing my original post, even though I haven't. Questions are asked on the forum and I try to answer them it's just that simple. You don't have to ask me anything, you don't even have to reply.

3. So how is it a nonresponsive dodge?


Chimps and birds doesn't "invent" anything. All that can do is by instinct, use the natural resources directly around them to make very simple things like nests and sticks to grab insects. That is a farcry from things we human beings can invent.

Animals don't find it necessary and they can't find it necessary, they will never have that capacity.

Do you mean to tell me right now that mere ants and bees can build cities exactly just like the technically advanced cities that human beings build, are you serious?

Once again, are you telling me that mere apes can build
technically advanced social states/civilizations just like humans can?

Yes, other animal has gone into space, and guess what, "human beings sent them there."

"you don't get to argue a god into existence."
Now I'm kind of confused about that statement. I thought that atheists wanted a good argument about God's existence???

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So, I ask for evidence for an assertion you make, and you answer with more bald assertions, lol. Cool story bro. I have an invisible dragon in my basement. I can’t show him to you though, because he’s immaterial. Maybe, someday he’ll reveal himself to you; when you’re ready with an open heart. 

There you go again, you want physical evidence for a non physical entity.

Let me ask you something about the example you just gave. Forget that the dragon is invisible, what is the reason and the meaning of the dragon doing in your basement in the first place?

We're always looking for a physical spectacle, but we deny the spiritual and divine meanings of things.

I’m going to explain to you how this works. When you make a claim that something exists, you need to be able to demonstrate it, or else we have no reason to believe you.

[The Grand Nudger]

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 The answer is yes to all of the above..but I don't know why it would matter, since humans aren't less awesome just because animals can do things.  What any of that has to do with the "divine"...is anyone's guess.

All of those questions are not yes and you know that.

Like I've been saying, all of those are the the manifestations in the physical world of the divine reality that only the human being possesses. We are the only animal species that can do those.

OFC we're not, and it's trivially easy to point out examples all over animalia, of which we are also a member.  

This is exactly the kind of nonsense I'm talking about.  If you think that your god and your gods message deserve any respect or credence whatsoever, perhaps you should be the first to apply them?  We were talking earlier about living our values..and even though that may not prove those values true, that at least proves that we hold them.

Well....I'm having a hard time believing that you hold the values you espouse, with how lazily and unfairly you've treated the subject of the divine. At the very least, if you absolutely refuse to give up the basic thrust of your assertions, you could concede that if they were true, then it would be demonstrably true that god spread the divine gift wide and far to all sorts of species.

[Rahn127]

Hi.

So the perspective that I have is that, we will never fully and completely know God.

The only way to know God is to know His names and attributes.

Even though the human being is an animal just like all other species, we are distinct because we have a divine reality.

The human being has the potential to display all of the names and attributes of God at the highest level, that's what makes us have dominion over the animal.

The names and attributes of God are basically all of the good qualities that is possible for the human being to have, it's just that society doesn't call them that.

The human being is the most perfect of all creation.

We have one attribute that god doesn't have.

We have existence. We actually exist and we can demonstrate that.

You are correct when you say we can never fully and completely know god, because god is only a concept that we created. It's purely imaginary and because of that it's really hard to know everything that people imagine. It changes so often. The bible is a prime example of something changing so often as we add our imagination to the script.

[The Grand Nudger]

It certainly doesn't add any credibility to the god position when it contains silly lies. We're not anyone's creation..nor are we approaching anything nearing "most perfect". Religious beliefs directly in conflict with basic facts of reality are in existential trouble.

That's why they get replaced with new and re-imagined gods.

Now, this particular posters religion posits that all of this was their god talking to people..progressive revelation. It's a wonderfully delicious way to combine cultural appropriation with the abrahamic rejection of those same cultures beliefs and values. "Yall are all wrong about your god, which is my god, and there is no other god."

Same old ghoulish religion hiding behind a thin veneer of civility. No new perspective whatsoever.

[unityconversation]

If anything at the very least the dogs in their own way was tying to bring comfort to the the individuals.

If a dog is making someone optimistic then it is teaching them optimism.

Are those the individuals personal dogs?

Were the dogs trained?

Dude, you don't need to train a dog to be optimistic. Find almost any stray dog and you'll see that it has all the "qualities" that you enumerated, like Integrity, Courageousness, Honesty, Generosity, Loyalty, Perseverance, Respectfulness, Politeness, Responsibility, Kindness, Humility, Lovingness, Compassion, Optimism, Fairness, Reliability, Forgiveness, Conscientiousness, Authenticity, Self-discipline.

And if you want to learn those "qualities" you might as well learn it from a dog because your "philosophy" is very simple-minded, considering that it is not good to always be humble, optimistic, generous, loyal, etc.

You said: "If a dog is making someone optimistic then it is teaching them optimism."

To tell you the truth, I'm having a hard time seeing "optimism" in the videos. What I'm seeing is basically comfort.

Like I said if simply sitting on someone's lap is "teaching them optimism," then every animal in the world is a therapist.

Can animals even be "optimistic?" I've never known an animal to be that. I know that animals can be fond of someone, but I don't know about optimism. But I don't know I could be wrong.

The definition optimistic is: hopeful and confident about the future.

How can an animal show that it is "hopeful and confident about the future" so the human being can know?

You said: Find almost any stray dog and you'll see that it has all the "qualities" that you enumerated.

Now you know that's simply not true, fake messiah.

You said: "if you want to learn those "qualities" you might as well learn it from a dog"

Well we human beings has those qualities by default, it's just it has to be fine tune as we go through life. And at the highest level, this can be done by listening to the the Prophets / Messengers / Manifestations in every age.

You said: "your "philosophy" is very simple-minded, considering that it is not good to always be humble, optimistic, generous, loyal, etc"

I never said it's always good to be those in every instance. Even though I would be good if we did have more optimism.

[The Grand Nudger]

It gets even sillier. The prophets, messengers and manifestations of each age have a funny habit of lacking those qualities you decided o put on the list.

What fine tuning of my divine qualities am I supposed to get from listening to a child raping warlord, or some nut who thinks that killing a jew will cover my unpaid parking tickets, or that the world will one day fall under the cruel messianic boot of hebrew hitler, lol? On what alternate earth is this the way, at the highest level, to forge my soul?

This is idolatry, hero worship plain and simple.

[unityconversation]

Unity's failing all across this thread. Just another self entitled self righteous religious person here to correct us poor heathens.

You thought wrong. I want evidence, not argument. You're just another religious putz.

Only to you that you think that I'm failing because you think that I'm on some kind of mission, which I already told you I'm not.

I know you want physical evidence, but here's the thing, that you wil never have, because the divine reality is not anything physical, it can only be manifest to the physical world.

[The Grand Nudger]

A "manifestation to the physical world" -is- physical evidence. Should we hold our breath?