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RE: Is there free will in heaven?
October 25, 2011 at 9:01 am
(October 25, 2011 at 8:58 am)salty Wrote: (October 24, 2011 at 5:28 pm)ElDinero Wrote: (October 24, 2011 at 5:21 pm)salty Wrote: Boring gymnastics
Great stuff. Say, your sig reminded me that I made a thread a few days ago about 'seeking God'. Any chance you can give us all a good laugh by chucking out some of your acrobatics in there too? When you're done telling us about how we have free will as long as we choose what God wants us to choose, that is.
sounds like you missed me. it does get boring when you don't have anyone to tease doesn't? When everyone agrees with you. I'll take a look.
Not really salty..no one "missed you" but to answer El D would be nice would it not??
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RE: Is there free will in heaven?
October 25, 2011 at 11:22 am
Salty, you're the battered housewife to my drunken redneck husband.
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RE: Is there free will in heaven?
October 25, 2011 at 11:35 am
It does get boring without someone to tease, but I'm never bored: I tease everybody 
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Where the dear and the strangers can play
Where sometimes is heard a discouraging word
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RE: Is there free will in heaven?
October 25, 2011 at 11:42 am
(October 24, 2011 at 5:25 pm)salty Wrote: (October 24, 2011 at 4:53 pm)reverendjeremiah Wrote: Quote:Here is my reasoning:
No..that is not reasoning. You are, as usual, making shit up on the spot.
Making stuff up on the spot is not reason. And if you believe in it, then it is Delusion.
I'm coming to a conclusion based on the information that has been given to me through the Bible. I believe the Bible is true, therefore my reasoning is firm, rev, I don't complain that you've lost your ability to reason just because you disagree.
You're a pretty fun guy, but you're starting to make me sound inferior and I don't like that, it hurts.
I am not the one making you sound inferior. you are the one posting things that you made up on the spot and expect us to consider them "reasoned". The bible is a work of fiction. You cannot pull reason from a workof fiction, nor can you use it as an authority on reason.
If I drew my beliefs from Harry Potter, and suggested that you did as well, would you not consider me delusional? And, during our converstaions over the supremecy of Harry Potter, I claimed that you were making me sound inferior... wouldnt you roll your eyes at me? you werent the one who made me post my Harry Potter beliefs, I was. If I believe that Harry potter is true, then according to you my reasoning is firm. Which is a slick way of saying that only I have reasoning, and if you dont believe in Harry Potter like I do, then your reasoning is flawed.
Do you not realize the many things you say and suggest on this thread are very much an insult to many people on this forum? Dont try to look like you are being persecuted when you have clearly opposed the freedoms of others, suggesting their lifestyles were not "healthy" or "good". You are pointing the finger just as sternly and you are being just as offensive.
your a pretty nice girl, but when you get to preaching you are very insulting to those around you.
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RE: Is there free will in heaven?
October 25, 2011 at 11:47 am
"but for good people to do evil — that takes religion."
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Is there free will in heaven?
October 25, 2011 at 11:56 am
(October 24, 2011 at 5:56 pm)thesummerqueen Wrote: I would never insult Bob, nor denigrate His Noodliness, and I worship Her treadmarks.
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RE: Is there free will in heaven?
October 25, 2011 at 3:32 pm
(October 25, 2011 at 11:42 am)reverendjeremiah Wrote: (October 24, 2011 at 5:25 pm)salty Wrote: (October 24, 2011 at 4:53 pm)reverendjeremiah Wrote: Quote:Here is my reasoning:
No..that is not reasoning. You are, as usual, making shit up on the spot.
Making stuff up on the spot is not reason. And if you believe in it, then it is Delusion.
I'm coming to a conclusion based on the information that has been given to me through the Bible. I believe the Bible is true, therefore my reasoning is firm, rev, I don't complain that you've lost your ability to reason just because you disagree.
You're a pretty fun guy, but you're starting to make me sound inferior and I don't like that, it hurts.
I am not the one making you sound inferior. you are the one posting things that you made up on the spot and expect us to consider them "reasoned". The bible is a work of fiction. You cannot pull reason from a workof fiction, nor can you use it as an authority on reason.
If I drew my beliefs from Harry Potter, and suggested that you did as well, would you not consider me delusional? And, during our converstaions over the supremecy of Harry Potter, I claimed that you were making me sound inferior... wouldnt you roll your eyes at me? you werent the one who made me post my Harry Potter beliefs, I was. If I believe that Harry potter is true, then according to you my reasoning is firm. Which is a slick way of saying that only I have reasoning, and if you dont believe in Harry Potter like I do, then your reasoning is flawed.
Do you not realize the many things you say and suggest on this thread are very much an insult to many people on this forum? Dont try to look like you are being persecuted when you have clearly opposed the freedoms of others, suggesting their lifestyles were not "healthy" or "good". You are pointing the finger just as sternly and you are being just as offensive.
your a pretty nice girl, but when you get to preaching you are very insulting to those around you.
Concerning the OP: If there are choices, there is freewill. El Dinero brought up an example with sandwhiches, let's try that again.
A man lays out four sandwhiches, beef, chicken, turkey and ham. He tells you, "choose turkey." Do you still have freewill? You do, because the options are still available the sandwhiches are sitting right there in front of you. You don't have to listen to that man, he's simply trying to control you, based on what you know of him you will decide if you'll obey. You don't have to choose any of the sandwhiches, maybe you're not hungry. You will use your own judgement to choose what you want, that is the basis of freewill.
Concerning the comments: Rev, I do appreciate you saying that I'm nice, thank you. You really cracked me up in the Amish thread...that was my first interaction with you and I wanted to keep our future interactions lively and fun like that, but around here people don't see Christians as humans, we're just animals basically and if we're not nice, we're banned, but if any of you want to abuse us, it's no problem.
Concerning reasoning: Where did you get this idea that I'm trying to be sneaky and insult people about their reasoning? someone posted a comment and I made a response and now suddenly I'm insulting people's reasoning because I tell you what I've learned in the Bible.
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RE: Is there free will in heaven?
October 25, 2011 at 3:38 pm
(October 25, 2011 at 3:32 pm)salty Wrote: but around here people don't see Christians as humans, we're just animals basically
I hate to break it to you, but we are all animals... I really hope you don't think otherwise.
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RE: Is there free will in heaven?
October 25, 2011 at 4:19 pm
(October 25, 2011 at 3:32 pm)salty Wrote: Concerning the OP: If there are choices, there is freewill. El Dinero brought up an example with sandwhiches, let's try that again.
A man lays out four sandwhiches, beef, chicken, turkey and ham. He tells you, "choose turkey." Do you still have freewill? You do, because the options are still available the sandwhiches are sitting right there in front of you. You don't have to listen to that man, he's simply trying to control you, based on what you know of him you will decide if you'll obey. You don't have to choose any of the sandwhiches, maybe you're not hungry. You will use your own judgement to choose what you want, that is the basis of freewill.
Ok, so I'm allowed to get drunk and have sex with everyone I want in heaven then, right? Since I don't have to listen to God trying to control me, as you said. But you already said I wouldn't be able to. Help me out.
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RE: Is there free will in heaven?
October 25, 2011 at 4:24 pm
Vulcans, mind melds, etc.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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