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is Seattle the new fort Sumter?
RE: is Seattle the new fort Sumter?
Silly...shit. Go ahead, give us an acceptable number for murder by cop.
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RE: is Seattle the new fort Sumter?
Quote:Cops can do more harm than good, but I don't believe that police brutality is pervasive.

Well it is and it's systematic and cultural and co-eds with other issues like militarzation 


Quote: The number of police vs incidents of brutality don't bear that out. 

Missing the point 



Quote:Sure we need to work to end police brutality.

Then the structure of policing needs to change or better still be reduced in favour of other options 



Quote: Let's go for it, but we must not destroy an essential institution In the process.
Accept it's not essential as most think .The thin Blue mentality is a  false one . And the polices role can be massively reduced

(June 21, 2020 at 11:31 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Silly...shit.  Go ahead, give us an acceptable number for murder by cop.
Zero

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When your putting the logo of a murderous vigilante on your squad cars ...... Dodgy

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When your putting the logo of a murderous vigilante on your uniforms................ Dodgy


https://www.dailydot.com/irl/police-unio...sher-logo/

When your police union is telling you to idolize a murderous vigilante ........... Dodgy

When your teaching cops a militant mentality 

https://theconversation.com/militarizati...emy-139727

https://www.insider.com/bulletproof-dave...ill-2020-6
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RE: is Seattle the new fort Sumter?
(June 21, 2020 at 11:31 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Silly...shit. Go ahead, give us an acceptable number for murder by cop.

Since when did I say that is acceptable? Don't put words in my mouth. Show where I said anything like that. I stand by what I said.
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RE: is Seattle the new fort Sumter?
Quote:Since when did I say that is acceptable? Don't put words in my mouth. Show where I said anything like that. I stand by what I said.
Your dismal of the gravity of violence police culture speaks volumes
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RE: is Seattle the new fort Sumter?
(June 22, 2020 at 12:18 am)Lek Wrote:
(June 21, 2020 at 11:31 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Silly...shit.  Go ahead, give us an acceptable number for murder by cop.

Since when did I say that is acceptable?  Don't put words in my mouth.  Show where I said anything like that. I stand by what I said.

You seemed to imply that the many people not killed by cops somehow softens the issue of those that are.

Boru
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RE: is Seattle the new fort Sumter?
Everyone knows that we can't call for precisely zero murder by cop, that would destroy the institution.

What it seems like, is that these poor bastards can't stop saying the quite parts out loud.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: is Seattle the new fort Sumter?
(June 21, 2020 at 10:40 pm)Lek Wrote:
(June 21, 2020 at 10:12 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: You want to consider the other side of the issue of whether or not there should be police brutality?  What other side?

You're trying to make it look like it's rampant and I don't agree with you. Like I said, bad cops need to be punished. I happen to think most cops are good.

There are three types of cops:
  • Bad cops (We all know what a bad cop does - terrible things, abuse their power, target African-Americans simply because they are racist, etc)
  • Good cops (ones that do not partake in these activities, but condone the bad cops' behavior and never report them to anybody of auhority)
  • Honest cops (ones that, not only does not partake in bad cop behavior, but actually report the behavior of bad cops to try and change things)
So yes, most cops are good. Very few are honest. Blue wall of silence. Snitches get stitches. If you're a good cop by these definitions, you're complicit. Thus ACAB.
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RE: is Seattle the new fort Sumter?
(June 22, 2020 at 4:22 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:
(June 22, 2020 at 12:18 am)Lek Wrote: Since when did I say that is acceptable?  Don't put words in my mouth.  Show where I said anything like that. I stand by what I said.

You seemed to imply that the many people not killed by cops somehow softens the issue of those that are.

Boru

I referred to people helped by cops, not by everyone not killed by cops.  I was implying that most cops are good cops.
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RE: is Seattle the new fort Sumter?
(June 22, 2020 at 11:33 am)Lek Wrote:
(June 22, 2020 at 4:22 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: You seemed to imply that the many people not killed by cops somehow softens the issue of those that are.

Boru

I referred to people helped by cops, not by everyone not killed by cops.  I was implying that most cops are good cops.

As I've said before, it's not a good cop/bad cop issue.  It's a police culture issue.  Good cops don't rat on bad cops, and are ostracized (or worse) for trying to stop bad behaviour by their colleagues.

Boru
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RE: is Seattle the new fort Sumter?
Yeah guys, you only concentrate on bad cops like those that shot a black man in the back and killed him as he was running away and no longer a threat.

But what about those nice cops who arrested Dylan Roof, a white supremacist and mass murderer, peacefully and without incident and even bought him the monster Burger King.

And all those good cops in other countries, let's talk about them

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You're not going to talk about Missouri cops standing guard as white people paint over Black Lives Matter mural with ‘blue line’ are you?

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https://www.rawstory.com/2020/06/missour...blue-line/
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