Explosion in Nashville this morning.

[Brian37]

No, I believe the investigators are not liars and have no incentive to lie in this case. Are you accusing the investigators, which included the FBI of being liars?

"You weren't there how would you know"? Is a bullshit argument. Bad logic like yours is what leads to nutty conspiracies. 

I also believe Hitler committed suicide in Berlin in 1945 even though I wasn't alive or a direct witness to it.

I am surprised you aren't a creationist, "You weren't alive 13.8 billion years ago". That is how stupid you sound.

I have no good reason not to trust the investigators in this situation.

Fuck yourself you simpleton twat...


This isn't one of the putrid lameassed TV shows you watch where everything is solved by the next to the last commercial.

It's real life.

And in real life law enforcement is under a shitload of pressure to solve every case as quick as possible. Consequently they get shit wrong from time to time.

Also - for various reasons - they withhold information - and let the media make erronious assumptions.

If you think they have this clusterfuck all figured out already - you're an idiot. Safe bet - new information that changes the scope of the picture is forthcoming.


And remember fuckwad - I'm the guy "who always takes the cop's side".....

What good reason would I have not to believe the FBI?

"It was too quick to be true"?  


I forgot, technology never changes. We should go back to the Pony express, because cars don't really go faster than horses.

After Obama killed Bin Laden they did an immediate DNA test on him, and within 24 hours the DNA confirmed his identity.

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Confirming DNA today in investigations like this does not take weeks or months like it use to. I am not talking about backlogs, those do exist, but in special cases like this they speed up the priority. 

Just like one no longer has to drop off their film at a Photomat and wait days for it to come back to the Photomat.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Brian - you don't KNOW this guy killed himself.

You BELIEVE he did.


Have you not learned the difference?

No, I believe the investigators are not liars and have no incentive to lie in this case. Are you accusing the investigators, which included the FBI of being liars?

"You weren't there how would you know"? Is a bullshit argument. Bad logic like yours is what leads to nutty conspiracies. 

I also believe Hitler committed suicide in Berlin in 1945 even though I wasn't alive or a direct witness to it.

I am surprised you aren't a creationist, "You weren't alive 13.8 billion years ago". That is how stupid you sound.

I have no good reason not to trust the investigators in this situation.

I don’t think OLB is claiming you don’t know because you weren’t there. He’s claiming you don’t know because NONE of us know.

I can envision several not unreasonable scenarios in which the bomber accidentally killed himself, which would make it not a suicide. But I don’t know.

If you trust the investigators, you should trust them when they say they don’t know the man’s motive and haven’t reached any definite conclusions.

Boru

[Brian37]

No, I believe the investigators are not liars and have no incentive to lie in this case. Are you accusing the investigators, which included the FBI of being liars?

"You weren't there how would you know"? Is a bullshit argument. Bad logic like yours is what leads to nutty conspiracies. 

I also believe Hitler committed suicide in Berlin in 1945 even though I wasn't alive or a direct witness to it.

I am surprised you aren't a creationist, "You weren't alive 13.8 billion years ago". That is how stupid you sound.

I have no good reason not to trust the investigators in this situation.

I don’t think OLB is claiming you don’t know because you weren’t there. He’s claiming you don’t know because NONE of us know.

I can envision several not unreasonable scenarios in which the bomber accidentally killed himself, which would make it not a suicide. But I don’t know.

If you trust the investigators, you should trust them when they say they don’t know the man’s motive and haven’t reached any definite conclusions.

Boru

Yes we do. In special cases like this, it would be dereliction of duty on the part of investigators to report to the public something they don't know.

I am not talking about motive, just the fact he died in the bombing. 

They DID conclude he died in the bombing. And the fact that nobody saw him leave the vehicle nor was he caught on camera leaving the vehicle would be a great indicator it was suicide.

[arewethereyet]

Investigators often withhold information so as not to jeopardize their investigation. That's not lying but sometimes revealing everything they know isn't the best way to handle things. That, and as we all know, media and people in general grab onto pieces and parts of information and make up a story to fit around it. Happens a lot.

Stop with the Hitler comparisons - it's you who sounds stupid.

Take a damn pill.

[Brian37]

Investigators often withhold information so as not to jeopardize their investigation.  That's not lying but sometimes revealing everything they know isn't the best way to handle things.  That, and as we all know, media and people in general grab onto pieces and parts of information and make up a story to fit around it.  Happens a lot.

Stop with the Hitler comparisons - it's you who sounds stupid.  

Take a damn pill.

It is absolutely true in investigations to withhold certain details in an ongoing investigation. But in this case, I see no incentive to say he acted alone if he didn't. Right now they are doing cleanup, and all that is left is to find a motive. And we may never know that. 

If he didn't act alone, the FBI would still be asking for tips, and would not have to disclose details to do that. The FBI would still be asking for the public's help with tips if he didn't act alone.

[arewethereyet]

Investigators often withhold information so as not to jeopardize their investigation.  That's not lying but sometimes revealing everything they know isn't the best way to handle things.  That, and as we all know, media and people in general grab onto pieces and parts of information and make up a story to fit around it.  Happens a lot.

Stop with the Hitler comparisons - it's you who sounds stupid.  

Take a damn pill.

It is absolutely true in investigations to withhold certain details in an ongoing investigation. But in this case, I see no incentive to say he acted alone if he didn't. Right now they are doing cleanup, and all that is left is to find a motive. And we may never know that. 

If he didn't act alone, the FBI would still be asking for tips, and would not have to disclose details to do that. The FBI would still be asking for the public's help with tips if he didn't act alone.

This case is nowhere near closed.  It's not a 60 minute show with 20 minutes of commercials.

LE is still following leads.  And to say it's just cleanup now is a stupid thing to say.  Part of the cleanup is watching out for evidence.  

The theme music isn't playing yet and the credits aren't rolling.

[Brian37]

It is absolutely true in investigations to withhold certain details in an ongoing investigation. But in this case, I see no incentive to say he acted alone if he didn't. Right now they are doing cleanup, and all that is left is to find a motive. And we may never know that. 

If he didn't act alone, the FBI would still be asking for tips, and would not have to disclose details to do that. The FBI would still be asking for the public's help with tips if he didn't act alone.

This case is nowhere near closed.  It's not a 60 minute show with 20 minutes of commercials.

LE is still following leads.  And to say it's just cleanup now is a stupid thing to say.  Part of the cleanup is watching out for evidence.  

The theme music isn't playing yet and the credits aren't rolling.

Please stop falsely accusing me of that. Nobody is claiming it is a TV show that gets solved in an hour or half hour.

Investigations don't always take weeks or months to solve either. 

Even with everyday murder, backlogs can delay a final solution, and some murders go unsolved. But there are plenty that are solved the same day.

Even those two episodes about bombings of Forensic Files I mentioned earlier are based on VERY REAL cases, and in both of them the narrator said it took time to catch those bombers. But that isn't always the case that it takes that much time.

Conditions vary from individual case to case. In this particular individual case, based upon news reports AND law enforcement press conferences the conditions in this case lead to faster answers than usual.

IN this individual case, JUST THIS CASE, I see no reason not to believe the FBI when they say he acted alone. It doesn't always take forever to figure things out. Nobody is claiming all cases are the same.

I also see no reason to think it wasn't a suicide for the reasons I stated earlier. No witnesses to him leaving the RV and no video of him leaving the RV, combined with the amount of time the message and music playing before the explosion. He had plenty of time to flee if he had wanted to. 

Some cases are open and shut quickly. Certainly not all, and most are not. But in this case, just this case, I think it really is as simple as investigators are reporting.

Make you a deal, in a week or a month, if they find someone else aided him, I will admit I was wrong.

[arewethereyet]

With what LE knows right now, they think he acted alone. It's not a certainty. But you did like you always do...you grab onto one thing and cling to that.

Let the damn investigation play out. It's far from over.

You are suddenly a PI and Zilla is a specialist in identifying remains...that evidently landed in his hair. ChristallFriday...what a pair, you had trouble figuring out it was a beer bottle rattling in your house and we are supposed to think your deductive reasoning based on what LE has reported is a sure bet.

In a week or a month you won't even remember any of this. You will have ADDed into some warped half memory.

[Angrboda]

Meh.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

This thread is like a moron parade.  All the best morons are representing.

Well, Da did tell me to always try to be the best.  

Boru