Harriett Tubman will replace Andrew Jackson on the $20 bill

[brewer]

Damn, now I need to start hoarding twenty's.

[onlinebiker]

So... The guy responsible for the "most infamous incident of ethnic cleansing in American history" -

Was a Democrat.


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Interesting...

It meant something vastly different then than it does today. If Jackson were alive today, he’d be a Trumpian Republican.

Boru

LOL..


Sure - it "means something" -

Like - Trump was Democrat. What's THAT mean?


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And exactly when? Give me a date when they switched black hats for white...

And - when do they change back?


True believers are amusing to watch..

[Angrboda]

More ignorance than you can shake a stick at.

[Aegon]

So... The guy responsible for the "most infamous incident of ethnic cleansing in American history" -

Was a Democrat.

Interesting...

Yep. Democrats were the proponents of slavery as well, with the vast majority voting against the 13th amendment and some even supportive of the Confederacy's cause.

Republicans during that time was also opposed to the new industrial capitalist model of labor that was emerging across the country in light of the Industrial Revolution. They called it "wage slavery." That's how they got the farmer vote in the emerging midwest - because farmers were anti-capitalists unilaterally opposed to the model of labor we consider to be normal today.

Moral of the story: Party labels don't really mean anything that far back.

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It meant something vastly different then than it does today. If Jackson were alive today, he’d be a Trumpian Republican.

Boru

LOL..


Sure - it "means something" -

Like - Trump was Democrat. What's THAT mean?


....


And exactly when? Give me a date when they switched black hats for white...

And - when do they change back?


True believers are amusing to watch..

Is there a precise date? An exact point where we can say "Alright, this is where the switch happened." Of course not, silly. If pressed, I would say it was when LBJ signed the Civil Rights Act.

But you are free to explain to me how supporters the political party that once crushed the Confederacy are now waving that flag themselves without conceding that party ideologies switched at some point.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

It meant something vastly different then than it does today. If Jackson were alive today, he’d be a Trumpian Republican.

Boru

LOL..


Sure - it "means something" -

Like - Trump was Democrat. What's THAT mean?


....


And exactly when? Give me a date when they switched black hats for white...

And - when do they change back?


True believers are amusing to watch..

The point is that Jackson would not be a democrat today - his beliefs and policies clearly show it. It isn’t a matter of people switching parties, it’s an ideological shift in the parties themselves.

Boru

[onlinebiker]

So... The guy responsible for the "most infamous incident of ethnic cleansing in American history" -

Was a Democrat.

Interesting...

Yep. Democrats were the proponents of slavery as well, with the vast majority voting against the 13th amendment and some even supportive of the Confederacy's cause.

Republicans during that time was also opposed to the new industrial capitalist model of labor that was emerging across the country in light of the Industrial Revolution. They called it "wage slavery." That's how they got the farmer vote in the emerging midwest - because farmers were anti-capitalists unilaterally opposed to the model of labor we consider to be normal today.

Moral of the story: Party labels don't really mean anything that far back.

Almost... You're sooo close....


Try -

Party labels mean dick.


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As soon as the party leaders (the ones who are the most entrenched and corrupt) decide they will get more votes by changing policy - they will.


You are a schmuck if you think otherwise.

[Mermaid]

Yep. Democrats were the proponents of slavery as well, with the vast majority voting against the 13th amendment and some even supportive of the Confederacy's cause.

Republicans during that time was also opposed to the new industrial capitalist model of labor that was emerging across the country in light of the Industrial Revolution. They called it "wage slavery." That's how they got the farmer vote in the emerging midwest - because farmers were anti-capitalists unilaterally opposed to the model of labor we consider to be normal today.

Moral of the story: Party labels don't really mean anything that far back.

Almost... You're sooo close....


Try -

Party labels mean dick.


...

As soon as the party leaders (the ones who are the most entrenched and corrupt) decide they will get more votes by changing policy - they will.


You are a schmuck if you think otherwise.

So why did you bring it up?

[Aegon]

Yep. Democrats were the proponents of slavery as well, with the vast majority voting against the 13th amendment and some even supportive of the Confederacy's cause.

Republicans during that time was also opposed to the new industrial capitalist model of labor that was emerging across the country in light of the Industrial Revolution. They called it "wage slavery." That's how they got the farmer vote in the emerging midwest - because farmers were anti-capitalists unilaterally opposed to the model of labor we consider to be normal today.

Moral of the story: Party labels don't really mean anything that far back.

Almost... You're sooo close....


Try -

Party labels mean dick.


...

As soon as the party leaders (the ones who are the most entrenched and corrupt) decide they will get more votes by changing policy - they will.


You are a schmuck if you think otherwise.

Sounds like your analysis needs a bit more nuance but okay.

[The Architect Of Fate]

So... The guy responsible for the "most infamous incident of ethnic cleansing in American history" -

Was a Democrat.


....

Interesting...

Back when the Democrats were all Conservatives 

LOL..


Sure - it "means something" -

Like - Trump was Democrat. What's THAT mean?

You can't compare the Democrats of Jackson's time to the Democrats of now as they are not the same party. As for Trump, He may have identified as a Demoncrat but clearly didn't accept the party's positions.

And exactly when? Give me a date when they switched black hats for white...

Democrats have moved further left and shed much of their former racism. While Republicans moved right gradually embraced that racism.

And - when do they change back?

It might happen. The Republicans might move leftward and ditch the racists. While the Democrats might shift back to their southern Conservative roots.

True believers are amusing to watch..

You mean people who accept historical facts

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Almost... You're sooo close....

And you're so very far

Try -

Party labels mean dick.

History says otherwise. Dems were Conservatives Republicans were liberals. No credible historian denies this or the respective shift the parties have taken over time.

As soon as the party leaders (the ones who are the most entrenched and corrupt) decide they will get more votes by changing policy - they will.

Nope party change is a slow and gradual process 

You are a schmuck if you think otherwise.

No your a historian if you think otherwise 

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/20...rn-strate/

[Rev. Rye]

It meant something vastly different then than it does today. If Jackson were alive today, he’d be a Trumpian Republican.

Boru

LOL..


Sure - it "means something" -

Like - Trump was Democrat. What's THAT mean?


....


And exactly when? Give me a date when they switched black hats for white...

And - when do they change back?


True believers are amusing to watch..

It means Trump’s blatant bigotry ended up finding some purchase when he switched to being a Republican.

And if you want to know when things changed, well, look up the “Southern Strategy.” It was a process that took years, so I can’t find a date for when it happened, but I think I can find a date by which it became clear shit had changed for good: November 5, 1968.

Short version: the Democratic Party under JFK and LBJ had come to support the Civil Rights Movement, which eventually culminated in the Civil Rights Act of 1965. In the previous hundred years since the end of the Civil War, the South, by and large, voted for the Democratic Party, specifically because they wouldn’t let them live Lincoln’s role in the Civil War down. This changed in 1964 when Barry Goldwater won five Southern states (and they were the only states he won except his home state of Arizona.) The difference, he really wasn’t a fan of integration. Not explicitly racist, he just had some concerns about the way things were going in the wake of the Civil Rights Movement. And the Nixon campaign distilled it into a science. To quote one of his strategists (interviewed in 1981, redacted in accordance to the forum’s rules):

Y'all don't quote me on this. You start out in 1954 by saying, "N——-r, n——r, n——r.” By 1968 you can't say "n——r"—that hurts you. Backfires. So you say stuff like forced busing, states' rights and all that stuff. You're getting so abstract now [that] you're talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you're talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is [that] blacks get hurt worse than whites. And subconsciously maybe that is part of it. I'm not saying that. But I'm saying that if it is getting that abstract, and that coded, that we are doing away with the racial problem one way or the other. You follow me—because obviously sitting around saying, "We want to cut this," is much more abstract than even the busing thing, and a hell of a lot more abstract than "N——r, n——r."

And, the result, all those states that were Democratic strongholds for about a century (at least the ones that didn’t vote for George Wallace, and Texas) all started to go Republican. By 1972, the last holdouts went to the Republicans and they’ve stayed that way, and the ones that have changed have only started to do so recently. And, as a result, by now, the Democrats are the party more open to racial justice, and the Republicans have ossified into the party of, if not open racism, the party of the straight white man, and increasingly little else.