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RE: Raising the minimum wage won't help
June 9, 2021 at 5:12 pm
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(June 9, 2021 at 4:56 pm)onlinebiker Wrote: (June 9, 2021 at 4:21 pm)Rev. Rye Wrote: So, quick question, if there are some workers so worthless that they don’t deserve compensation, is there any good reason to not kill them? After all, if they don’t deserve to have their basic needs met, why should they deserve to still exist?
Just taking your ideology, as stated in the previous post, to its logical conclusion.
Your reductio ad absurdum is just as lame a debate strategy as your buddy's redundancy.
Get a valid response ready and try again. No, the argument you’ve been making throughout the thread that a living wage (one in which everyone has the minimum needed to survive) means everybody is rich is a reduction ad absurdism.
What I did is take the argument you’ve made against giving employees a living wage to its logical conclusion. If some people don’t deserve to have the means necessary to survive, as you have argued, then why should they deserve to live? The only way it doesn’t follow is if you enjoy seeing them suffer or you just find the idea of actually helping people in need repugnant and don’t give a shit about human suffering. Either way, I don’t know how you can see those people who don’t deserve a living wage to be anything but Lebensunwertes Leben.
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RE: Raising the minimum wage won't help
June 9, 2021 at 5:23 pm
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(June 9, 2021 at 5:12 pm)Rev. Rye Wrote: (June 9, 2021 at 4:56 pm)onlinebiker Wrote: Your reductio ad absurdum is just as lame a debate strategy as your buddy's redundancy.
Get a valid response ready and try again. No, the argument you’ve been making throughout the thread that a living wage (one in which everyone has the minimum needed to survive) means everybody is rich is a reduction ad absurdism.
What I did is take the argument you’ve made against giving employees a living wage to its logical conclusion. If some people don’t deserve to have the means necessary to survive, as you have argued, then why should they deserve to live? The only way it doesn’t follow is if you enjoy seeing them suffer or you just find the idea of actually helping people in need repugnant and don’t give a shit about human suffering. He may very well turn to some libertarian babble about "self-improvement" or "just work harder" inane crap that's just worthless as saying " just believe in yourself ". It's not a solution. It's just condescension or a couping mechanism.
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RE: Raising the minimum wage won't help
June 9, 2021 at 5:34 pm
Honestly, I’m starting to suspect Biker doesn’t even believe in or, for that matter, want solutions.
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RE: Raising the minimum wage won't help
June 9, 2021 at 5:47 pm
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Better to start with a mass media concept. Money is arithmetic, valued in transactions. If one third of the economy can't do transactions--on which upper incomes rely--then there are no upper incomes of any value. Effectively, they to to skyrocketed-levels. Warren Buffet has the money, but not the Lamborghini. As a world-wide phenomenon--that puts Lamborghini out of business.
When transactions can happen, then a market-place happens. The value of the labor is better thought to proceed from the abilities to create transactions. Jesus ben Joseph, Son of Mary, called, "OH Christ," (mostly in English), raises the matter in a likely scripted fable--mostly appearing in only one likely scripted gospel. One-third of the fabled(?) get cast out to the predators, (Matt 25: 14-30). The buried Talent never makes it to any market-place. The sense of market-place transactions, in fact, is completely superseded. There are none in the fable. The one Talent even gets sky-rocketed--insofar as there is any such capability in that timeframe. Baby Abandonment was known in that timeframe. Medieval Romans would toss babies into the Tiber River. Now Indiana is host to drop-off boxes. Red-States have their values, with basis-certain.
Some Hispanics are themselves less interested in a Minimum Wage raise, than they are in a Family Assistance plan. The transactions are more valuable than the wage--likely insufficient. Other than China, assistance and rules regarding assistance for newer families is not a policy, in any culture, anywhere. "Households" are not valued.
Anyone compares the Amendment Two crazies--gun supportive--and the Jan 6 Capitol Building insurgency. Is any militia anywhere better-served with entire arsenals in common use among insurgents? Are militias better served with armaments restrictions? People--Republicans, loosely speaking--are on board with more armaments, even applied in common practice.
The Hispanic contention would be said the more rational. The Jan 6 insurgency offered no transactions. Some participants were armed.
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RE: Raising the minimum wage won't help
June 9, 2021 at 5:51 pm
(June 9, 2021 at 5:34 pm)Rev. Rye Wrote: Honestly, I’m starting to suspect Biker doesn’t even believe in or, for that matter, want solutions. Why would he? He's all but said it himself " I got mine fuck everyone else"
It's simple misanthropy
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RE: Raising the minimum wage won't help
June 9, 2021 at 6:24 pm
(June 9, 2021 at 5:34 pm)Rev. Rye Wrote: Honestly, I’m starting to suspect Biker doesn’t even believe in or, for that matter, want solutions. What I don't want is YOUR solutions.
Big difference.
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RE: Raising the minimum wage won't help
June 9, 2021 at 6:28 pm
The current rate of inflation in Australia is 1.6%.
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RE: Raising the minimum wage won't help
June 9, 2021 at 6:28 pm
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Quote:What I don't want is YOUR solutions.
No, you don't want ANY solution period
Quote:Big difference.
Nope.
(June 9, 2021 at 6:28 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: The current rate of inflation in Australia is 1.6%.
Boru And you know the countless studies showing neither a noticeable increase in inflation or price hikes
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RE: Raising the minimum wage won't help
June 9, 2021 at 6:32 pm
(June 9, 2021 at 6:28 pm)Helios Wrote: Quote:What I don't want is YOUR solutions.
No, you don't want ANY solution period
Quote:Big difference.
Nope.
(June 9, 2021 at 6:28 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: The current rate of inflation in Australia is 1.6%.
Boru And you know the countless studies showing neither a noticeable increase in inflation or price hikes
Precisely my point. A connection between increased wages and inflation is - to put it nicely - tenuous at best.
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RE: Raising the minimum wage won't help
June 9, 2021 at 6:40 pm
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(June 9, 2021 at 6:32 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: (June 9, 2021 at 6:28 pm)Helios Wrote: No, you don't want ANY solution period
Nope.
And you know the countless studies showing neither a noticeable increase in inflation or price hikes
Precisely my point. A connection between increased wages and inflation is - to put it nicely - tenuous at best.
Boru There is a reason the majority of economists and anti-poverty groups support raising the wage.
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