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Raising the minimum wage won't help
#51
RE: Raising the minimum wage won't help
And for those who are still skeptical of the idea of a living wage, here’s Maslow’s hierarchy of needs.

[Image: 792px-Maslow%27s_Hierarchy_of_Needs2.svg.png]

People who advocate for a living wage are asking for enough money to cover the lowest level of the pyramid (the red one). Maybe some would argue up to part the second lowest tier (orange, specifically financial security), but that first tier, covering the basic physiological needs of humans, is what we’re asking to be covered. Not necessarily $70k per year (unless, of course, the cost of living gets that high), just enough to keep a roof over their heads that isn’t made of cardboard or food that they didn’t have to steal from a dumpster.

You may argue that some jobs don’t deserve that because they’re meant to be done by teens who are still living with their parents, but that premise simply doesn’t apply anymore.
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#52
RE: Raising the minimum wage won't help
(June 9, 2021 at 1:56 pm)Brian37 Wrote:
(June 9, 2021 at 1:46 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: I’m not arguing it should be a career that pulls in 70k a year. I’m arguing you should at least be able to feed, clothe, and shelter yourself and maybe one or two potential offspring. That’s not asking much.

He keeps missing that point.

And if I hear "starter job" one more time, I am going to call KIM JONG UN and tell him to nuke the next MFer who uses that.

Who the hell does OLB think works at the retail or fast food joints or collects his garbage when the kids are in HS or college? 

The truth is most people at that level are NOT mere teens or college students working on spring break or during the summer. The majority of those jobs are held by people SUPPORTING FAMILIES.

OLB, I am 54, I have worked retail and food service and delivery all my life. I can tell you that there ARE people in their late 20s, 30s. 40s and 50s and even 60s, that I have worked with in all those years. There is no such thing as a "starter job", there are just jobs.

Remember your bullshit condescension the next time you see an old clerk at Walmart, or middle age order taker at McDonalds, or a middle age waiter/waitress at your favorite restaurant.
So you are a self admitted unmotivated schlub - and you think you can tell a.retired guy who could have a job by the end of the week that makes triple what you made in your best year - what the score is?


Yeah...

Ok.

(June 9, 2021 at 2:02 pm)Rev. Rye Wrote: And for those who are still skeptical of the idea of a living wage, here’s Maslow’s hierarchy of needs.

[Image: 792px-Maslow%27s_Hierarchy_of_Needs2.svg.png]

People who advocate for a living wage are asking for enough money to cover the lowest level of the pyramid (the red one). Maybe some would argue up to part the second lowest tier (orange, specifically financial security),  but that first tier, covering the basic physiological needs of humans, is what we’re asking to be covered. Not necessarily $70k per year (unless, of course, the cost of living gets that high), just enough to keep a roof over their heads that isn’t made of cardboard or food that they didn’t have to steal from a dumpster.

You may argue that some jobs don’t deserve that because they’re meant to be done by teens who are still living with their parents, but that premise simply doesn’t apply anymore.
Ok...

We will make leaves legal currency.


Everybody will be rich....


Dodgy
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#53
RE: Raising the minimum wage won't help
So, I take it you don’t recognize a difference between just having enough money to not starve or keep a roof over your head and being rich. No wonder you’re so out of touch with the economic realities of today.
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#54
RE: Raising the minimum wage won't help
(June 9, 2021 at 2:16 pm)Rev. Rye Wrote: So, I take it you don’t recognize a difference between just having enough money to not starve or keep a roof over your head and being rich. No wonder you’re so out of touch with the economic realities of today.
You just don't understand how money works.



In your reality - they find out how much you make - then price your dinner accordingly.....

If you have no money - you get it free.

If you make a million a year - a hamburger will cost $10,000. 


Sure. - that system will work....


Jerkoff
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#55
RE: Raising the minimum wage won't help
More like, in my preferred reality, they find out how much it costs to keep a roof over your heads and food in your stomachs and base your minimum wages on that. Because, frankly, there’s very little economic reason America can’t do that, and no moral reason we shouldn’t do it if we can.
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#56
RE: Raising the minimum wage won't help
(June 9, 2021 at 2:02 pm)Rev. Rye Wrote: And for those who are still skeptical of the idea of a living wage, here’s Maslow’s hierarchy of needs.

[Image: 792px-Maslow%27s_Hierarchy_of_Needs2.svg.png]

People who advocate for a living wage are asking for enough money to cover the lowest level of the pyramid (the red one). Maybe some would argue up to part the second lowest tier (orange, specifically financial security),  but that first tier, covering the basic physiological needs of humans, is what we’re asking to be covered. Not necessarily $70k per year (unless, of course, the cost of living gets that high), just enough to keep a roof over their heads that isn’t made of cardboard or food that they didn’t have to steal from a dumpster.

You may argue that some jobs don’t deserve that because they’re meant to be done by teens who are still living with their parents, but that premise simply doesn’t apply anymore.

 No job in human history should ever be deemed for a certain age. There are only jobs.
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#57
RE: Raising the minimum wage won't help
(June 9, 2021 at 2:45 pm)Rev. Rye Wrote: More like, in my preferred reality, they find out how much it costs to keep a roof over your heads and food in your stomachs and base your minimum wages on that. Because, frankly, there’s very little economic reason America can’t do that, and no moral reason we shouldn’t do it if we can.

You seem to think  whatever guilt motivates you is capable of changing reality.

Nope.



Make employees too expensive and employers will find a way to eliminate employees.

You may think the world is a social experiment - but businessmen think it's about making money - not providing you with "a living wage".
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#58
RE: Raising the minimum wage won't help
(June 9, 2021 at 3:29 pm)onlinebiker Wrote:
(June 9, 2021 at 2:45 pm)Rev. Rye Wrote: More like, in my preferred reality, they find out how much it costs to keep a roof over your heads and food in your stomachs and base your minimum wages on that. Because, frankly, there’s very little economic reason America can’t do that, and no moral reason we shouldn’t do it if we can.

You seem to think  whatever guilt motivates you is capable of changing reality.

Nope.



Make employees too expensive and employers will find a way to eliminate employees.

You may think the world is a social experiment - but businessmen think it's about making money - not providing you with "a living wage".

Translation, "Fuck the poor, the rich own them".
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#59
RE: Raising the minimum wage won't help
Shall we translate your drivel?

MOMMY! GIMME GIMME GIMME!!!
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#60
RE: Raising the minimum wage won't help
(June 8, 2021 at 1:34 pm)onlinebiker Wrote: If your sole job skill is "do you want fries with that?" you need to get more skills - or get your mother flowers regularly - because you' ll be living in her basement for some time....

Don't expect to be able to support yourself.

Why do you want others to struggle and suffer?
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