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[arewethereyet]

It's beyond a bad decision when your job requires you to be in contact with people all the time.  Your cab driver chose not only to put her own life at risk but also to potentially expose multiple people to the virus who then could have carried it to others.

I agree, but how far do you want to take it? I agree with mask mandates and vaccine mandates. But Boru said he wished my cab driver would die. 

Perfect example, I agree if hospital staff get fired for not getting vaccinated fine. If my cab driver had been fired for not getting vaccinated, same thing. But how does that constitute wishing anyone death?

I do agree however, like when the parents were threatening school administrators and civil servants got arrested, sure. 

But there is no way you could get me to agree that my cab driver, or even my family deserve death. 

Like I said, I blame the cult leaders of these conspiracy crap more than I blame those who follow them. I blame Trump and Fox News and other right wing conspiracy rags that prey upon fear. 

Even outside this pandemic, back in my youth, trying to fit in, I did lots of stupid crap and made lots of bad decisions that if I had been caught, I could have done some serious time. But none of what I did would have deserved death.

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On the contrary, she IS a bad person. She made the choice to walk around and knowingly spread a disease that has (so far) killed more than 600 000 of your countrymen, devastated  countless families, and kicked your economy in the crotch. 

There comes a time when you need to stop blaming other people.

Boru

You say that about a person you have never met. 

Does she hold bad positions? ABSOLUTLY. But again,  Humans cannot simply beat the shit out of each other as a species when we see bad behavior. If I took your attitude I would have wished death on my late mother. My late mother voted for Reagan, Bush Sr, Bush Jr, McCain and Romney. I hated that she did that. But she was also a person who ALWAYS to her last days was always concerned about me always took care of me.

Vicki is her name, my cab driver. She's been giving me rides for a few years now. Now if you want me to believe she is intentionally evil, forget it. I do think the powers that sold her that crap are evil, I'll agree.

Otherwise if we are to be logically consistent, then after we defeated Japan and Germany, after WW2, the allies should have executed their entire populations.

Compassion isn't about revenge. Accountability isn't about revenge. I hate that Vicki was in denial. I hate that my family is in denial. But they are also not in power. 

Trump and DeSantis belong in prison just on the pandemic subject alone. But I am not willing to condemn every single person who bought their crap. I hope Vicki survives. But I am quite sure, if she does, she is going to make statements of regret as well. 

Now, unless you are willing to say, "Brian, you shoot shoot her yourself" and I hope you are not that depraved, then all this is on your part is a frustration, all be it a justified  frustration, then all you are doing is acting out of fear too. 

I agree with vaccine mandates, and mask mandates, but why did you go as far as wishing death on someone you have never met? 

I am no fan of "Fight fire with fire".

I don't have to know a person to determine that their actions are reprehensible.

If you agree with mask mandates and vaccinations, you could have chosen not to ride with her any more since it was obvious she didn't care about your well-being or that of others. Instead you looked the other way.

You are playing both sides.

[Brian37]

I agree, but how far do you want to take it? I agree with mask mandates and vaccine mandates. But Boru said he wished my cab driver would die. 

Perfect example, I agree if hospital staff get fired for not getting vaccinated fine. If my cab driver had been fired for not getting vaccinated, same thing. But how does that constitute wishing anyone death?

I do agree however, like when the parents were threatening school administrators and civil servants got arrested, sure. 

But there is no way you could get me to agree that my cab driver, or even my family deserve death. 

Like I said, I blame the cult leaders of these conspiracy crap more than I blame those who follow them. I blame Trump and Fox News and other right wing conspiracy rags that prey upon fear. 

Even outside this pandemic, back in my youth, trying to fit in, I did lots of stupid crap and made lots of bad decisions that if I had been caught, I could have done some serious time. But none of what I did would have deserved death.

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You say that about a person you have never met. 

Does she hold bad positions? ABSOLUTLY. But again,  Humans cannot simply beat the shit out of each other as a species when we see bad behavior. If I took your attitude I would have wished death on my late mother. My late mother voted for Reagan, Bush Sr, Bush Jr, McCain and Romney. I hated that she did that. But she was also a person who ALWAYS to her last days was always concerned about me always took care of me.

Vicki is her name, my cab driver. She's been giving me rides for a few years now. Now if you want me to believe she is intentionally evil, forget it. I do think the powers that sold her that crap are evil, I'll agree.

Otherwise if we are to be logically consistent, then after we defeated Japan and Germany, after WW2, the allies should have executed their entire populations.

Compassion isn't about revenge. Accountability isn't about revenge. I hate that Vicki was in denial. I hate that my family is in denial. But they are also not in power. 

Trump and DeSantis belong in prison just on the pandemic subject alone. But I am not willing to condemn every single person who bought their crap. I hope Vicki survives. But I am quite sure, if she does, she is going to make statements of regret as well. 

Now, unless you are willing to say, "Brian, you shoot shoot her yourself" and I hope you are not that depraved, then all this is on your part is a frustration, all be it a justified  frustration, then all you are doing is acting out of fear too. 

I agree with vaccine mandates, and mask mandates, but why did you go as far as wishing death on someone you have never met? 

I am no fan of "Fight fire with fire".

I don't have to know a person to determine that their actions are reprehensible.

If you agree with mask mandates and vaccinations, you could have chosen not to ride with her any more since it was obvious she didn't care about your well-being or that of others.  Instead you looked the other way.

You are playing both sides.

Again, I wish it were that simple. But the truth is at least in the west, we are, and always will be diverse. There is no way in reality, you can 100% separate yourself from diversity, especially if you say you are for diversity.

I hate that Viki did what she did. I hate that my biological mother and biological sister believe what they believe. But what do you want me to do? Lines in the sand if one are to draw, cannot be blanket statements. 

"All or nothing" if it worked, the way any side would claim, would have produced worldwide peace forever.

It is not a matter of playing both sides. It is a matter of thinking long term. 

If you want to ask me what I think of their positions, of course I think they are full of shit, and are potentially dangerous. But at the same time I am not willing to treat them as if they were the same as Trump or Stalin or Hitler.

Compassion does not mean you have to give up your empathy or logic. But it always should mean, despite what someone else might do to you, you don't carpet bomb revenge in response.

[arewethereyet]

I don't have to know a person to determine that their actions are reprehensible.

If you agree with mask mandates and vaccinations, you could have chosen not to ride with her any more since it was obvious she didn't care about your well-being or that of others.  Instead you looked the other way.

You are playing both sides.

Again, I wish it were that simple. But the truth is at least in the west, we are, and always will be diverse. There is no way in reality, you can 100% separate yourself from diversity, especially if you say you are for diversity.

I hate that Viki did what she did. I hate that my biological mother and biological sister believe what they believe. But what do you want me to do? Lines in the sand if one are to draw, cannot be blanket statements. 

"All or nothing" if it worked, the way any side would claim, would have produced worldwide peace forever.

It is not a matter of playing both sides. It is a matter of thinking long term. 

If you want to ask me what I think of their positions, of course I think they are full of shit, and are potentially dangerous. But at the same time I am not willing to treat them as if they were the same as Trump or Stalin or Hitler.

Compassion does not mean you have to give up your empathy or logic. But it always should mean, despite what someone else might do to you, you don't carpet bomb revenge in response.

By continuing to pay for her services you were condoning her decision.

Consider yourself lucky if you don't end up being one of the people she infected.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

It's beyond a bad decision when your job requires you to be in contact with people all the time.  Your cab driver chose not only to put her own life at risk but also to potentially expose multiple people to the virus who then could have carried it to others.

I agree, but how far do you want to take it? I agree with mask mandates and vaccine mandates. But Boru said he wished my cab driver would die. 

Perfect example, I agree if hospital staff get fired for not getting vaccinated fine. If my cab driver had been fired for not getting vaccinated, same thing. But how does that constitute wishing anyone death?

I do agree however, like when the parents were threatening school administrators and civil servants got arrested, sure. 

But there is no way you could get me to agree that my cab driver, or even my family deserve death. 

Like I said, I blame the cult leaders of these conspiracy crap more than I blame those who follow them. I blame Trump and Fox News and other right wing conspiracy rags that prey upon fear. 

Even outside this pandemic, back in my youth, trying to fit in, I did lots of stupid crap and made lots of bad decisions that if I had been caught, I could have done some serious time. But none of what I did would have deserved death.

---

On the contrary, she IS a bad person. She made the choice to walk around and knowingly spread a disease that has (so far) killed more than 600 000 of your countrymen, devastated  countless families, and kicked your economy in the crotch. 

There comes a time when you need to stop blaming other people.

Boru

You say that about a person you have never met. 

Does she hold bad positions? ABSOLUTLY. But again,  Humans cannot simply beat the shit out of each other as a species when we see bad behavior. If I took your attitude I would have wished death on my late mother. My late mother voted for Reagan, Bush Sr, Bush Jr, McCain and Romney. I hated that she did that. But she was also a person who ALWAYS to her last days was always concerned about me always took care of me.

Vicki is her name, my cab driver. She's been giving me rides for a few years now. Now if you want me to believe she is intentionally evil, forget it. I do think the powers that sold her that crap are evil, I'll agree.

Otherwise if we are to be logically consistent, then after we defeated Japan and Germany, after WW2, the allies should have executed their entire populations.

Compassion isn't about revenge. Accountability isn't about revenge. I hate that Vicki was in denial. I hate that my family is in denial. But they are also not in power. 

Trump and DeSantis belong in prison just on the pandemic subject alone. But I am not willing to condemn every single person who bought their crap. I hope Vicki survives. But I am quite sure, if she does, she is going to make statements of regret as well. 

Now, unless you are willing to say, "Brian, you shoot shoot her yourself" and I hope you are not that depraved, then all this is on your part is a frustration, all be it a justified  frustration, then all you are doing is acting out of fear too. 

I agree with vaccine mandates, and mask mandates, but why did you go as far as wishing death on someone you have never met? 

I am no fan of "Fight fire with fire".

I don’t need to have met her. I know what she did. It’s nothing personal; I’d like all the unvaccinated to die, so the rest of us - you know, the ones that actually give a shit about other people - can get back to normal.

I don’t really give a fuck about what positions she holds. I care about the actions she took and the actions she failed to take. And, to be honest, I’m tired of hearing about your mother.

Put it another way. Since Vicki knew the risks of not getting the vaccine, she did this to herself. I wish her success in her suicide.

Boru

[Angrboda]

I don't wish for anybody to die. Being reprehensible doesn't mean you deserve death. Save your ire for people who are truly evil.

[Brian37]

I don't wish for anybody to die.  Being reprehensible doesn't mean you deserve death.  Save your ire for people who are truly evil.

I don't think Viki is reprehensible but galactically mistaken. And she most certainly not close to "ire". And the "evil" I would assign would be to the assholes who sold her the position that lead her to hesitate which unfortunately put her in the position she is in now.

[Spongebob]

There needs to be consequences for our decisions.  Even Republicans say they believe this.

I don't think anyone is disagreeing with that. The argument at this point in history, is that it seems that the GOP is willing to side to very anti democratic ideas while selling hyper nationalism in order to keep power. I think the powers on the "GOP" side view "consequences" as anything that doesn't benefit them.

Well, obviously.  They are hypocrites.  They say they don't like any number of policies...until they do like them.  In reality they like them very much as long as it suits their needs.

I mentioned consequences for our decisions because I've heard all my life from Republicans about personal responsibility.  Freedom without personal responsibility can result in chaos.  And that's what we have, chaos, because Republicans are not living up to the personal responsibility side of things.  Once again, hypocrisy.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Boru

[Spongebob]

Trump held a rally in Cullman, AL last weekend. He actually promoted the vaccine and told everyone that he had gotten it and it was good. His loyal followers booed him.

[arewethereyet]

Trump held a rally in Cullman, AL last weekend.  He actually promoted the vaccine and told everyone that he had gotten it and it was good.  His loyal followers booed him.

Now we get to see what the new excuse is by the anti vaxxers since the FDA approval has come through for the Pfizer vaccine.

We watched as they didn't care when the old and sick were most at risk...now they don't care about kids dying.

Hell of a hill to die on.