(August 21, 2021 at 6:15 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

Boru

Yeah, but the difference is those vaccinations and rules came about at a time when people felt they could trust the government and the media, that they truly had our best interests at heart.  Sadly, the media has forfeited all credibility because of its blatant promotion of the Marxist agenda, and that is why so many don't believe them.

That's it in a nutshell

(August 22, 2021 at 7:27 am)Mashmont Wrote:

(August 21, 2021 at 6:15 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

Boru

Yeah, but the difference is those vaccinations and rules came about at a time when people felt they could trust the government and the media, that they truly had our best interests at heart.  Sadly, the media has forfeited all credibility because of its blatant promotion of the Marxist agenda, and that is why so many don't believe them.

That's it in a nutshell

Tell me something - when you were a child, did your parents frighten you by telling you there was a Marxist under your bed?

Boru

(August 22, 2021 at 7:29 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(August 22, 2021 at 7:27 am)Mashmont Wrote: Yeah, but the difference is those vaccinations and rules came about at a time when people felt they could trust the government and the media, that they truly had our best interests at heart.  Sadly, the media has forfeited all credibility because of its blatant promotion of the Marxist agenda, and that is why so many don't believe them.

That's it in a nutshell

Tell me something - when you were a child, did your parents frighten you by telling you there was a Marxist under your bed?

Boru

I'm just telling you why so many people don't want or trust the vaccine.  It's the truth.

Quote:Yeah, but the difference is those vaccinations and rules came about at a time when people felt they could trust the government and the media, that they truly had our best interests at heart.  Sadly, the media has forfeited all credibility because of its blatant promotion of the Marxist agenda, and that is why so many don't believe them.

That's it in a nutshell

And this is a steaming pile of shit

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Quote:I'm just telling you why so many people don't want or trust the vaccine.  It's the truth.

You mean why delusional idiots who believe in bullshit don't want or trust the vaccine. because they are fucking unhinged morons who live in la la land 

(August 22, 2021 at 7:23 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(August 22, 2021 at 7:18 am)Brian37 Wrote: Wow. Other's stupidity doesn't mean those who see it need to lack compassion. 

If you had been a character on MASH you would have been Frank, or Col Flag.

My best friend from Oklahoma's dad voted for Trump, but got the vaccine. But his mother and sister also refuse. While he would say, "It is their own fault" and I agree it would be their fault, it doesn't mean I wish death on them. Just like he'd say to me about my smoking, "That can kill you" he'd be right, but he wouldn't wish me death. 

I blame the politicians and right wing conspiracy nuts convincing them. I blame Trump and Fox Noise for why they buy that shit.

Yeah, don’t care. My compassion is reserved for those people who, through no fault of their own, have a rough go of it. I have no compassion for fuckwits who think they have a right to risk the health and safety of other people.

Blame whoever you like, but it’s ultimately your cabbie’s fault that she got sick.

Boru

Having blanket solutions to a complex species in such a ham fisted manor is not a solution.

If America took the same attitude it did after WW2 that it did after WW1 Germany would have simply been as bad off after WW1.

I get blaming the right people. But blame the right people. There is a huge difference between gullibility, ignorance, and evil. The people most responsible for those in mask/vaccine denial, are the powers exploiting them.  Otherwise when we defeated Japan and Germany, we should have murdered all the citizens. 

Just like one can place sole blame on Jim Jones for conning 900 people to their deaths. Many of them tried to escape when they realized they were being conned and held hostage. The rest of them died because Jones's minions either shot them or forced them to drink the poison. 

What Trump sold was evil. But I am not going to condemn everyone who votes republican. I condemn that party's leaders for being cult leaders. 

My cab driver is not a bad person. She has an honest job, she has a family and she loves talking about her pets. And she always asks me about my cat and how he is doing. She loves me as a customer because I make her laugh. Between her and another cab driver they have a saying every time they pick me up, "Adventure's with Brian", because they love me as a customer. 

As far as my biological family, I have little to no contact with them because they are really really far right. But even with them, I don't want them dead. This pandemic affects the entire world so it isn't just about their politics or religion. 

If any of them die from COVID yes, one could say, "They learned the hard way", sure. But wishing someone death is a bridge to far for me. My Cab driver isn't Hitler or Stalin, she simply got conned and made a bad decision.

(August 22, 2021 at 7:46 am)Brian37 Wrote:

(August 22, 2021 at 7:23 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Yeah, don’t care. My compassion is reserved for those people who, through no fault of their own, have a rough go of it. I have no compassion for fuckwits who think they have a right to risk the health and safety of other people.

Blame whoever you like, but it’s ultimately your cabbie’s fault that she got sick.

Boru

Having blanket solutions to a complex species in such a ham fisted manor is not a solution.

If America took the same attitude it did after WW2 that it did after WW1 Germany would have simply been as bad off after WW1.

I get blaming the right people. But blame the right people. There is a huge difference between gullibility, ignorance, and evil. The people most responsible for those in mask/vaccine denial, are the powers exploiting them.  Otherwise when we defeated Japan and Germany, we should have murdered all the citizens. 

Just like one can place sole blame on Jim Jones for conning 900 people to their deaths. Many of them tried to escape when they realized they were being conned and held hostage. The rest of them died because Jones's minions either shot them or forced them to drink the poison. 

What Trump sold was evil. But I am not going to condemn everyone who votes republican. I condemn that party's leaders for being cult leaders. 

My cab driver is not a bad person. She has an honest job, she has a family and she loves talking about her pets. And she always asks me about my cat and how he is doing. She loves me as a customer because I make her laugh. Between her and another cab driver they have a saying every time they pick me up, "Adventure's with Brian", because they love me as a customer. 

As far as my biological family, I have little to no contact with them because they are really really far right. But even with them, I don't want them dead. This pandemic affects the entire world so it isn't just about their politics or religion. 

If any of them die from COVID yes, one could say, "They learned the hard way", sure. But wishing someone death is a bridge to far for me. My Cab driver isn't Hitler or Stalin, she simply got conned and made a bad decision.

It's beyond a bad decision when your job requires you to be in contact with people all the time. Your cab driver chose not only to put her own life at risk but also to potentially expose multiple people to the virus who then could have carried it to others.

(August 22, 2021 at 7:46 am)Brian37 Wrote:

(August 22, 2021 at 7:23 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Yeah, don’t care. My compassion is reserved for those people who, through no fault of their own, have a rough go of it. I have no compassion for fuckwits who think they have a right to risk the health and safety of other people.

Blame whoever you like, but it’s ultimately your cabbie’s fault that she got sick.

Boru

Having blanket solutions to a complex species in such a ham fisted manor is not a solution.

If America took the same attitude it did after WW2 that it did after WW1 Germany would have simply been as bad off after WW1.

I get blaming the right people. But blame the right people. There is a huge difference between gullibility, ignorance, and evil. The people most responsible for those in mask/vaccine denial, are the powers exploiting them.  Otherwise when we defeated Japan and Germany, we should have murdered all the citizens. 

Just like one can place sole blame on Jim Jones for conning 900 people to their deaths. Many of them tried to escape when they realized they were being conned and held hostage. The rest of them died because Jones's minions either shot them or forced them to drink the poison. 

What Trump sold was evil. But I am not going to condemn everyone who votes republican. I condemn that party's leaders for being cult leaders. 

My cab driver is not a bad person. She has an honest job, she has a family and she loves talking about her pets. And she always asks me about my cat and how he is doing. She loves me as a customer because I make her laugh. Between her and another cab driver they have a saying every time they pick me up, "Adventure's with Brian", because they love me as a customer. 

As far as my biological family, I have little to no contact with them because they are really really far right. But even with them, I don't want them dead. This pandemic affects the entire world so it isn't just about their politics or religion. 

If any of them die from COVID yes, one could say, "They learned the hard way", sure. But wishing someone death is a bridge to far for me. My Cab driver isn't Hitler or Stalin, she simply got conned and made a bad decision.

On the contrary, she IS a bad person. She made the choice to walk around and knowingly spread a disease that has (so far) killed more than 600 000 of your countrymen, devastated  countless families, and kicked your economy in the crotch. 

There comes a time when you need to stop blaming other people.

Boru

(August 22, 2021 at 7:58 am)arewethereyet Wrote:

(August 22, 2021 at 7:46 am)Brian37 Wrote: Having blanket solutions to a complex species in such a ham fisted manor is not a solution.

If America took the same attitude it did after WW2 that it did after WW1 Germany would have simply been as bad off after WW1.

I get blaming the right people. But blame the right people. There is a huge difference between gullibility, ignorance, and evil. The people most responsible for those in mask/vaccine denial, are the powers exploiting them.  Otherwise when we defeated Japan and Germany, we should have murdered all the citizens. 

Just like one can place sole blame on Jim Jones for conning 900 people to their deaths. Many of them tried to escape when they realized they were being conned and held hostage. The rest of them died because Jones's minions either shot them or forced them to drink the poison. 

What Trump sold was evil. But I am not going to condemn everyone who votes republican. I condemn that party's leaders for being cult leaders. 

My cab driver is not a bad person. She has an honest job, she has a family and she loves talking about her pets. And she always asks me about my cat and how he is doing. She loves me as a customer because I make her laugh. Between her and another cab driver they have a saying every time they pick me up, "Adventure's with Brian", because they love me as a customer. 

As far as my biological family, I have little to no contact with them because they are really really far right. But even with them, I don't want them dead. This pandemic affects the entire world so it isn't just about their politics or religion. 

If any of them die from COVID yes, one could say, "They learned the hard way", sure. But wishing someone death is a bridge to far for me. My Cab driver isn't Hitler or Stalin, she simply got conned and made a bad decision.

It's beyond a bad decision when your job requires you to be in contact with people all the time.  Your cab driver chose not only to put her own life at risk but also to potentially expose multiple people to the virus who then could have carried it to others.

I agree, but how far do you want to take it? I agree with mask mandates and vaccine mandates. But Boru said he wished my cab driver would die. 

Perfect example, I agree if hospital staff get fired for not getting vaccinated fine. If my cab driver had been fired for not getting vaccinated, same thing. But how does that constitute wishing anyone death?

I do agree however, like when the parents were threatening school administrators and civil servants got arrested, sure. 

But there is no way you could get me to agree that my cab driver, or even my family deserve death. 

Like I said, I blame the cult leaders of these conspiracy crap more than I blame those who follow them. I blame Trump and Fox News and other right wing conspiracy rags that prey upon fear. 

Even outside this pandemic, back in my youth, trying to fit in, I did lots of stupid crap and made lots of bad decisions that if I had been caught, I could have done some serious time. But none of what I did would have deserved death.

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(August 22, 2021 at 8:00 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(August 22, 2021 at 7:46 am)Brian37 Wrote: Having blanket solutions to a complex species in such a ham fisted manor is not a solution.

If America took the same attitude it did after WW2 that it did after WW1 Germany would have simply been as bad off after WW1.

I get blaming the right people. But blame the right people. There is a huge difference between gullibility, ignorance, and evil. The people most responsible for those in mask/vaccine denial, are the powers exploiting them.  Otherwise when we defeated Japan and Germany, we should have murdered all the citizens. 

Just like one can place sole blame on Jim Jones for conning 900 people to their deaths. Many of them tried to escape when they realized they were being conned and held hostage. The rest of them died because Jones's minions either shot them or forced them to drink the poison. 

What Trump sold was evil. But I am not going to condemn everyone who votes republican. I condemn that party's leaders for being cult leaders. 

My cab driver is not a bad person. She has an honest job, she has a family and she loves talking about her pets. And she always asks me about my cat and how he is doing. She loves me as a customer because I make her laugh. Between her and another cab driver they have a saying every time they pick me up, "Adventure's with Brian", because they love me as a customer. 

As far as my biological family, I have little to no contact with them because they are really really far right. But even with them, I don't want them dead. This pandemic affects the entire world so it isn't just about their politics or religion. 

If any of them die from COVID yes, one could say, "They learned the hard way", sure. But wishing someone death is a bridge to far for me. My Cab driver isn't Hitler or Stalin, she simply got conned and made a bad decision.

On the contrary, she IS a bad person. She made the choice to walk around and knowingly spread a disease that has (so far) killed more than 600 000 of your countrymen, devastated  countless families, and kicked your economy in the crotch. 

There comes a time when you need to stop blaming other people.

Boru

You say that about a person you have never met. 

Does she hold bad positions? ABSOLUTLY. But again,  Humans cannot simply beat the shit out of each other as a species when we see bad behavior. If I took your attitude I would have wished death on my late mother. My late mother voted for Reagan, Bush Sr, Bush Jr, McCain and Romney. I hated that she did that. But she was also a person who ALWAYS to her last days was always concerned about me always took care of me.

Vicki is her name, my cab driver. She's been giving me rides for a few years now. Now if you want me to believe she is intentionally evil, forget it. I do think the powers that sold her that crap are evil, I'll agree.

Otherwise if we are to be logically consistent, then after we defeated Japan and Germany, after WW2, the allies should have executed their entire populations.

Compassion isn't about revenge. Accountability isn't about revenge. I hate that Vicki was in denial. I hate that my family is in denial. But they are also not in power. 

Trump and DeSantis belong in prison just on the pandemic subject alone. But I am not willing to condemn every single person who bought their crap. I hope Vicki survives. But I am quite sure, if she does, she is going to make statements of regret as well. 

Now, unless you are willing to say, "Brian, you shoot shoot her yourself" and I hope you are not that depraved, then all this is on your part is a frustration, all be it a justified  frustration, then all you are doing is acting out of fear too. 

I agree with vaccine mandates, and mask mandates, but why did you go as far as wishing death on someone you have never met? 

I am no fan of "Fight fire with fire".

There needs to be consequences for our decisions. Even Republicans say they believe this.

(August 22, 2021 at 11:30 am)Spongebob Wrote: There needs to be consequences for our decisions.  Even Republicans say they believe this.

I don't think anyone is disagreeing with that. The argument at this point in history, is that it seems that the GOP is willing to side to very anti democratic ideas while selling hyper nationalism in order to keep power. I think the powers on the "GOP" side view "consequences" as anything that doesn't benefit them.