Official live update of spread of COVID19

[Astreja]

As hospitals reach capacity, at some point it'll probably be necessary to redirect unvaccinated COVID patients to an isolated facility so as not to compromise other patients requiring critical care. They almost certainly are carrying a high viral load, and it would be better to separate them from other ER patients.

[Rev. Rye]

As hospitals reach capacity, at some point it'll probably be necessary to redirect unvaccinated COVID patients to an isolated facility so as not to compromise other patients requiring critical care. They almost certainly are carrying a high viral load, and it would be better to separate them from other ER patients.

And the fact that shit like this is being talked about is exactly what the all the pushes for vaccination and COVID-related restrictions were supposed to prevent.

[Irreligious Atheist]

It takes a shitton of work for someone who's morbidly obese to lose all that extra weight (it can easily take years, and sometimes, even proper diet and exercise can barely make a dent), and it can take a while for someone to kick their two-pack-a-day smoking habit. But in the case of the unvaccinated, it just takes two jabs (maybe a few more if the science ends up calling for it) and you no longer have to worry as much about COVID. It's very simple, takes little effort  except maybe the effort it takes to go to and from the clinic twice, and is effective at doing what it's supposed to do.

Ok. What about someone who's fooling around with their gun and they accidentally shoot themselves? Do we let them into the emergency room even though their stupidity could have easily been prevented and wouldn't take years to fix like it would for an obese person losing hundreds of pounds? If we start playing these games of let's let in this moronic person but not that moronic person, it won't look pretty. What about a gang member who gets shot doing his gang thing? Do we give him medical treatment? We give everyone medical treatment. Full stop.

[The Architect Of Fate]

Ok. What about someone who's fooling around with their gun and they accidentally shoot themselves? Do we let them into the emergency room even though their stupidity could have easily been prevented and wouldn't take years to fix like it would for an obese person losing hundreds of pounds? If we start playing these games of let's let in this moronic person but not that moronic person, it won't look pretty. What about a gang member who gets shot doing his gang thing? Do we give him medical treatment? We give everyone medical treatment. Full stop.

Huge difference between someone who is reckless with a gun and hurts themself to a person who refuses to the vaccine and someone who won't take the minimum effort to protect other people. There is a difference between being shot in a gang war and refusing to do the simple act of getting the vaccine to protect the public. We don't give medical treatment to people who willfully endanger other patients because they refuse to do the bare minimum to protect everyone. They can lie in the street and reflect on their selfishness and all the people they have endangered needlessly.

[brewer]

I just read it now and it's still bad. Patients can have a hard time finding a new doctor, and not all appointments can take place over the phone. People need to get physicals and there are many other times a phone call will not do. Why aren't other doctors jumping on this bandwagon with her? Do they just not give a darn about their patients and they want to see them all infected? Or are they doing what they signed up to do? To help people who need that help. When you go to a doctors office, your temperature is taken and you are given covid screening questions to answer. That is plenty enough imo. There's a reason doctors aren't all jumping on the bandwagon with her nonsense. She's being overly cautious and turning patients away in doing so, and I think that's wrong.

Edit- And Fireball did post, "Don't come to my hospital". That is pretty bad. Does he not want an unvaccinated person to be allowed to show up at the emergency room? That's pretty awful. Let them die?

The doctor is telling her patients to get vaccinated. She prescribing a medical preventative to avoid infection. Those patients who do not follow her care recommendations can find other physicians who don't care if their patients become infected. The patients that don't get vaccinated are the ones that don't "give a darn".

Doctors stop seeing patients all the time when the patients don't follow their instructions. The diabetic that won't take their insulin, the COPD patient won't try to stop smoking, the cancer patient that won't take chemo, the position for the doctor becomes "there is nothing more that I can do for you". This isn't exactly the same, but close enough and definitely not nonsense. And all she's doing is extending that with "and don't come to my office anymore".

Think of the anti-vaxxers as a new twist on factitious disorder or hypochondriac. Instead of claiming they have a condition that does not exist they claim that a proven medication does not work/is dangerous or the virus is fake or can't cause morbidity/mortality.

Regarding the 'bandwagon', is quite possible that other doctors are do it, just not publicly. If I recall correctly, doctors were doing it in California around the time of the measles outbreak. Don't want to give your kid the vaccination, find another provider: https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/15/health/pe...index.html

[Ranjr]

That's some pretty tight science, Ronaldo.  Vaccines fail to work in 100% of the people who refuse them.  Thanks for that.

[brewer]

JFC, when will I learn to proof read?

[Spongebob]

An infectious disease is clearly a special case here. Even if hundreds of numskulls with a gun accidentally shot themselves, it wouldn't come close to putting the strain on our hospitals that covid has, and it has no potential to spread the condition of "too stupid to own a gun". We are very fortunate that covid has a relatively low mortality rate. If we were dealing with something like Ebola and it was airborne, then it would have the potential to do really significant damage to the population without some severe protocols. I keep wondering what it would take to get antivaxxers to understand. Sure, covid isn't killing millions in the US, but I don't consider 600,000 a small number. And chances are that's an underreported number. For a country that's obsessed with banning abortion because it kills unborn babies, this attitude regarding covid is absolutely ridiculous. A death is a death.

[Rev. Rye]

It’s strange that, to pro-lifers, the only lives that seem to need protecting either haven’t been born or have become brain dead, and that anything in between seems to be outside their purview. To be fair, the Catholic Church is slightly better with this since they oppose capital punishment and unjust wars, but the fact that their interest still takes a nosedive once the kid is actually born speaks volumes about their priorities.

[Spongebob]

I think its a testament to how indoctrinated people become by their religion. The Trump phenomena is another example, as is voting Republican. Once an issue gets taken up by religion/churches, it essentially becomes part of the tenets of their religion and you can't jar it loose with a nuclear bomb.