Our server costs ~$56 per month to run. Please consider donating or becoming a Patron to help keep the site running. Help us gain new members by following us on Twitter and liking our page on Facebook!
Current time: January 8, 2025, 2:23 am
Atheist Forums › Discussion › Politics v
Can Japan Ever Truly Pay for it' s Sins?

Thread Rating:
  • 0 Vote(s) - 0 Average
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Thread Modes
Can Japan Ever Truly Pay for it' s Sins?
Oldandeasilyconfused Offline
Senior Member
****
Religious Views: Agnostic Atheist
Posts: 7388
Threads: 168
Joined: February 25, 2009
Reputation: 45
#11
RE: Can Japan Ever Truly Pay for it' s Sins?
December 7, 2021 at 4:37 pm
(December 7, 2021 at 10:22 am)onlinebiker Wrote: Today December 7th, Pearl Harbor Day - is a good day to remember that the US isn't always the instigator.

Indeed. Pretty sneaky. Great tactic, lousy timing.

Sun Tzu wrote that war is about deception.  Some one in militarist Japan may have read that. Obviously didn't read the whole book.  If they had they would have realised they had already lost when they attacked America in that way.
Find
Reply
Anomalocaris Offline
Stem arthropod
*****
Religious Views: None
Posts: 19789
Threads: 57
Joined: September 24, 2010
Reputation: 85
#12
RE: Can Japan Ever Truly Pay for it' s Sins?
December 7, 2021 at 4:40 pm
(December 7, 2021 at 4:37 pm)Oldandeasilyconfused Wrote:
(December 7, 2021 at 10:22 am)onlinebiker Wrote: Today December 7th, Pearl Harbor Day - is a good day to remember that the US isn't always the instigator.

Indeed. Pretty sneaky. Great tactic, lousy timing.

Sun Tzu wrote that war is about deception.  Some one in militarist Japan may have read that. Obviously didn't read the whole book.  If they had they would have realised they had already lost when they attacked America in that way.

How were they going to do that deception? Paint over the rising sun with swastika?
Find
Reply
The Grand Nudger Offline
Retired Staff
*****
Religious Views: Invasive
Posts: 67318
Threads: 140
Joined: June 28, 2011
Reputation: 162
#13
RE: Can Japan Ever Truly Pay for it' s Sins?
December 7, 2021 at 4:42 pm (This post was last modified: December 7, 2021 at 4:59 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
I know this is a joke thread..but..fuck...this is one of my favorite things. The main architect of the attack on pearl harbor went to his grave (at the hands of a patrolling american p-38, clutching his sword..in dress...) thinking that the pearl harbor attack was a terrible idea.

That's pretty impressive, on a personal level. Yamamoto is a personal hero of mine. He knew what had to be done, doubted that it could be achieved, but gave it his level best when pursuing that goal.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
Find
Reply
The Architect Of Fate Offline
Supreme Celestial Being
*****
Religious Views: Non Believer
Posts: 11354
Threads: 29
Joined: December 8, 2019
Reputation: 14
#14
RE: Can Japan Ever Truly Pay for it' s Sins?
December 7, 2021 at 4:46 pm (This post was last modified: December 7, 2021 at 4:49 pm by The Architect Of Fate.)
(December 7, 2021 at 4:33 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote:
(December 7, 2021 at 10:22 am)onlinebiker Wrote: Today December 7th, Pearl Harbor Day - is a good day to remember that the US isn't always the instigator.

Actually, the issue is not clear cut at all.   If the roles of the US and Japan were reversed, and the US found itself in the position Japan found herself in November 1941, I have no doubt the US would have decided to go to overt hostility at or around that time as well.

Due to its testosterone driven self-righteous view of Pearl Harbor and total unwillingness to contextualize the event, the US really learned no real fundamental lessons from it at all.  Which is fundamentally why the US found itself currently at such logger heads with Russia regarding Ukraine and NATO Expansion into the former Soviet Union, and with China over Taiwan.
Not to mention the long-standing geopolitical tensions over domination of the Pacific
"Change was inevitable"


Nemo sicut deus debet esse!

[Image: Canada_Flag.jpg?v=1646203843]



 “No matter what men think, abortion is a fact of life. Women have always had them; they always have and they always will. Are they going to have good ones or bad ones? Will the good ones be reserved for the rich, while the poor women go to quacks?”
–SHIRLEY CHISHOLM

      
Find
Reply
Anomalocaris Offline
Stem arthropod
*****
Religious Views: None
Posts: 19789
Threads: 57
Joined: September 24, 2010
Reputation: 85
#15
RE: Can Japan Ever Truly Pay for it' s Sins?
December 7, 2021 at 4:51 pm
(December 7, 2021 at 4:37 pm)Oldandeasilyconfused Wrote:
(December 7, 2021 at 10:22 am)onlinebiker Wrote: Today December 7th, Pearl Harbor Day - is a good day to remember that the US isn't always the instigator.

Indeed. Pretty sneaky. Great tactic, lousy timing.

Sun Tzu wrote that war is about deception.  Some one in militarist Japan may have read that. Obviously didn't read the whole book.  If they had they would have realised they had already lost when they attacked America in that way.

How were they going to do that deception? Paint over the rising sun with swastika?
Find
Reply
onlinebiker Offline
Senior Member
****
Religious Views: cynical S.O.B.
Posts: 9538
Threads: 410
Joined: October 3, 2018
Reputation: 17
#16
RE: Can Japan Ever Truly Pay for it' s Sins?
December 7, 2021 at 4:51 pm
(December 7, 2021 at 4:33 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote:
(December 7, 2021 at 10:22 am)onlinebiker Wrote: Today December 7th, Pearl Harbor Day - is a good day to remember that the US isn't always the instigator.

Actually, the issue is not clear cut at all.   If the roles of the US and Japan were reversed, and the US found itself in the position Japan found herself in November 1941, I have no doubt the US would have decided to go to overt hostility at or around that time as well.

Due to its testosterone driven self-righteous view of Pearl Harbor and total unwillingness to contextualize the event, the US really learned no real fundamental lessons from it at all.  Which is fundamentally why the US found itself currently at such logger heads with Russia regarding Ukraine and NATO Expansion into the former Soviet Union, and with China over Taiwan.

We get it.

You hate America.


....

We are crushed.


Dodgy
Find
Reply
Oldandeasilyconfused Offline
Senior Member
****
Religious Views: Agnostic Atheist
Posts: 7388
Threads: 168
Joined: February 25, 2009
Reputation: 45
#17
RE: Can Japan Ever Truly Pay for it' s Sins?
December 7, 2021 at 4:51 pm (This post was last modified: December 7, 2021 at 4:53 pm by Oldandeasilyconfused.)
(December 7, 2021 at 4:40 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote:
(December 7, 2021 at 4:37 pm)Oldandeasilyconfused Wrote: Indeed. Pretty sneaky. Great tactic, lousy timing.

Sun Tzu wrote that war is about deception.  Some one in militarist Japan may have read that. Obviously didn't read the whole book.  If they had they would have realised they had already lost when they attacked America in that way.

How were they going to do that deception? Paint over the rising sun with swastika?

 It was a text book sneak attack and caught America unprepared, destroying most of its Pacific fleet.  The Japanese did not try to conceal their identity.

Watch the clip below in which FDR declared war on Japan the next day.

His speech begins; " Yesterday, December 7 1941 is a date which will live in infamy-------"



Find
Reply
The Valkyrie Offline
The last smile some will see...
*******
Religious Views: Time to end them
Posts: 35361
Threads: 205
Joined: August 13, 2012
Reputation: 146
#18
RE: Can Japan Ever Truly Pay for it' s Sins?
December 7, 2021 at 5:00 pm
Are we holding current generations responsible for the crimes of their parents and grandparents still?

How biblical.

Playing Cluedo with my mum while I was at Uni:

"You did WHAT?  With WHO?  WHERE???"
Find
Reply
vulcanlogician Offline
δικαιοσύνη
****
Religious Views: I Grok Spock
Posts: 5813
Threads: 86
Joined: November 19, 2017
Reputation: 59
#19
RE: Can Japan Ever Truly Pay for it' s Sins?
December 7, 2021 at 5:01 pm
(December 7, 2021 at 5:00 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: Are we holding current generations responsible for the crimes of their parents and grandparents still?

How biblical.

Yay! Nice to see you Valks! Did you have a happy birthday?
Find
Reply
BrianSoddingBoru4 Offline
Power-Drunk Administrator
*******
Religious Views: Headology
Posts: 46546
Threads: 543
Joined: July 24, 2013
Reputation: 109
#20
RE: Can Japan Ever Truly Pay for it' s Sins?
December 7, 2021 at 5:01 pm
(December 7, 2021 at 5:00 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: Are we holding current generations responsible for the crimes of their parents and grandparents still?

How biblical.

Pooky bear!!!!

Boru
‘I can’t be having with this.’ - Esmeralda Weatherwax
Find
Reply


Atheist Forums › Discussion › Politics v
Can Japan Ever Truly Pay for it' s Sins?

Possibly Related Threads...
Thread Author Replies Views Last Post
  Can America ever truly pay for its sins? T.J. 111 11149 January 10, 2022 at 4:17 pm
Last Post: Spongebob
  Equal pay for women's soccer or no Fed funding bill brewer 55 6628 August 4, 2019 at 7:25 am
Last Post: BrianSoddingBoru4
  New Jersey Voters Did Pay Attention Minimalist 2 702 November 15, 2018 at 2:15 pm
Last Post: Gawdzilla Sama
  Four presidents come together to pay tribute Silver 15 3294 April 23, 2018 at 1:09 pm
Last Post: mlmooney89
  Uber Pay Gap John V 42 4586 February 15, 2018 at 5:43 pm
Last Post: CapnAwesome
  MOTHER OF GOD!!!! Trump supporters truly are idiots NuclearEnergy 4 1475 June 23, 2017 at 5:47 am
Last Post: Pat Mustard
  Can someone tell me where in the 2nd amendment it says you can carry machine guns? NuclearEnergy 310 85131 May 16, 2017 at 7:22 pm
Last Post: The Grand Nudger
  House Repugnicunts take a swipe at overtime pay. Ravenshire 9 3939 May 4, 2017 at 11:20 am
Last Post: Gawdzilla Sama
  Why is it Republicans can dish it out, but can't take it when someone throws it back NuclearEnergy 10 4996 April 27, 2017 at 10:38 pm
Last Post: DarkerEnergy
  Trump was not wearing translator earpiece during Japan PM speech. The Industrial Atheist 4 1221 February 28, 2017 at 5:32 pm
Last Post: abaris



Users browsing this thread: 1 Guest(s)