Uber Pay Gap

[John V]

Long but interesting read:
http://freakonomics.com/podcast/what-can...r-pay-gap/

In short, a study found that male Uber drivers earn about 7% more per hour than females.

The Uber algorithm doesn't even know the gender of drivers, so that's not a cause. 
The researchers looked at selection by riders and found no discrimination against women there either.

The main explanations were:
1. Men drive a little faster and so complete more rides per hour.
2. Men stick with Uber longer than women, and so gain experience and better know profitable practices, like when and where to drive.

Since discrimination has been ruled out, is the difference in outcomes a problem?

Should Uber volunteer - or be forced - to bump women's pay 7% so that outcomes are the same?

[LadyForCamus]

Is anyone insisting that they should?

[John V]

Is anyone insisting that they should?

No. I'm asking a question. This is a specific case with good research. The general issue is equality of outcomes opportunity* vs. equality of results.

*Tx Rye

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

I don't think anyone is claiming that all pay gap instances are cases of gender discrimination. Similarly, it would be disingenuous to attempt to point to cases that aren't as evidence that gender-based pay discrimination doesn't exist. 

The answer to your question is 'no'. 

Boru

[Anomalocaris]

Is anyone insisting that they should?

I thought Uber drivers gets paid a percent of their fare, so they personally earn less if they generate less fare.


What alpha baboon is really after, is to make sacrosanct the right of private employers to discriminate based on sex without having to demonstrate individual differences in performances. So he seeks to insinuate that because evidence for aggregate differences exist somewhere, women individually everywhere should shut up.

He thinks he is pretty clever in this approach. Hence his generally repulsive smarmy air.  I admit it is actually not a bad level of tactical sophistication for a lobotomized baboon such as him.  But the fact that he is not amongst his fellow baboons seem to escape him.

[John V]

I don't think anyone is claiming that all pay gap instances are cases of gender discrimination. Similarly, it would be disingenuous to attempt to point to cases that aren't as evidence that gender-based pay discrimination doesn't exist. 

The answer to your question is 'no'. 

Boru

Thanks for actually answering the question.

[LadyForCamus]

/thread?

[mlmooney89]

Well then... I thought it was an interesting thing to talk about.

You always hear about hardcore feminists yelling sexism and such at titles such as this but to discuss how we as genders are different enough to naturally get gaps is a good point.

[Rev. Rye]

Is anyone insisting that they should?

No. I'm asking a question. This is a specific case with good research. The general issue is equality of outcomes vs. equality of results.

You sure you don’t mean equality of OPPORTUNITY vs. results? Because outcomes and results are synonymous and opportunity matches the general discrimination arguments.

Really, that said, in most jobs, women don’t even have the same opportunities as men, and, as a result, the pay gap is larger overall than it is for Uber. And it seems the more opportunities women get, the closer it comes to being closed.

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/201...gap-facts/

Maybe Uber has reached a point where we can talk about opportunity vs. results, but most jobs still haven’t.

[John V]

What alpha baboon is really after

Yes, the implications you note (absent the derogatory wording) are part of the purpose, but I really do want to see if anyone favors equality of outcomes. It wouldn't surprise me if some people (Tizheruk comes to mind) support that.