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Indoctrination
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 (January 22, 2022 at 1:01 pm)Ahriman Wrote: Well there are different types of evidence. The evidence of a believer is faith-based evidence, meaning it's not empirical evidence, but still a valid form of evidence. I don't "do" religious faith. At all. My brain simply doesn't permit it to happen. To me, "faith" and "evidence" do not belong in the same sentence, and all faith-based claims are rejected as utterly worthless to me.  (January 24, 2022 at 2:46 pm)Astreja Wrote:Has it always been that way for you, your whole life?(January 22, 2022 at 1:01 pm)Ahriman Wrote: Well there are different types of evidence. The evidence of a believer is faith-based evidence, meaning it's not empirical evidence, but still a valid form of evidence.
"Imagination, life is your creation"
(January 24, 2022 at 2:59 pm)Ahriman Wrote:(January 24, 2022 at 2:46 pm)Astreja Wrote: I don't "do" religious faith. At all. My brain simply doesn't permit it to happen. To me, "faith" and "evidence" do not belong in the same sentence, and all faith-based claims are rejected as utterly worthless to me.Has it always been that way for you, your whole life? Yes, it has. I've never been able to uncritically accept a supernatural claim - my brain automatically tags it with "Yeah, right..." RE: Indoctrination
January 24, 2022 at 4:18 pm
(This post was last modified: January 24, 2022 at 4:18 pm by Ahriman.)
(January 24, 2022 at 4:08 pm)Astreja Wrote:Do you think this makes you better than people who believe in the supernatural?(January 24, 2022 at 2:59 pm)Ahriman Wrote: Has it always been that way for you, your whole life?
"Imagination, life is your creation"
RE: Indoctrination
January 24, 2022 at 4:24 pm
(This post was last modified: January 24, 2022 at 4:24 pm by Astreja.)
(January 24, 2022 at 4:18 pm)Ahriman Wrote:(January 24, 2022 at 4:08 pm)Astreja Wrote: Yes, it has. I've never been able to uncritically accept a supernatural claim - my brain automatically tags it with "Yeah, right..."Do you think this makes you better than people who believe in the supernatural? Attempt at poisoning the well noted. What I believe about myself has nothing to do with this. What I believe about religion -- or rather, what I simply cannot believe -- is where the rubber hits the road. Religion is a non-starter for me, and has been since I read the Bible in the early 1960s. It just isn't believable to me, and I refuse to lie to myself by pretending to believe. (January 24, 2022 at 4:24 pm)Astreja Wrote:Would you worship a human if you thought he/she was really awesome?(January 24, 2022 at 4:18 pm)Ahriman Wrote: Do you think this makes you better than people who believe in the supernatural?
"Imagination, life is your creation"
That's the second hurdle that successful indoctrination has to overcome. You have to be convinced that there's a there, there...but you also have to be compelled to do something about it.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
(January 24, 2022 at 4:33 pm)Astreja Wrote:It's a willing act of submission (or not so willing, depending on the context) that earns you good boy/girl points, either with the government (in case of a theocracy) or just with the object of worship itself.(January 24, 2022 at 4:30 pm)Ahriman Wrote: Would you worship a human if you thought he/she was really awesome?
"Imagination, life is your creation"
Is there a store where you get to spend them? Do the prices compare favorably to the counter at chuck e cheese?
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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