Russia and Ukraine

[Deesse23]

Look at the linguistic and ethnographic map of Ukraine.

Ok

Much of Ukraine near the mouth of the Dniper is primarily Russian speaking and ethnically Russian.

Yes, and no.

About 3/4 of Ukraine to the east of Dniper is also heavily (about half) Russian speaking and ethnically Russia.

No
Lots of russian speakers, but mostly ukrainian ethnicity. Ok, ill grant you 50/50 in face of the fact that of your first three claims one is definitely wrong and one borderline.

 But most Ukraine to the west of Dniper is primarily Ukrainian speaking

Yes, as well as north of the Dniepr (rerd parts)

, with parts of Ukraine, primarily the parts stalin took from other countries at the end of WWII and appended to Ukraine, being primarily Romanian, Hungarian, modovians, polish.

Yes, minor areas

It looks very much like Putin meant to secure the northern and southern ends of Dniper river in Ukraine.

Where all those russian speaking (particularly in the north), ethnic Ukrainians are? Yes

Whether he will annex the eastern Ukraine to Russia out right is hard to say.  But I suspect that is the long term objective if not the next thing on the road map. 

Yes i would suspect that someone throwing out random threats of (global) nuclear war, wants more than just getting rid of drug addict nazi puppets of "the west", but rather has something bigger in mind
Ymmv

But he will undoutedly insist that the Russia or the eastern Russia dominated part of Ukraine

Those parts with all those russian speaking Ukrainians and this area in the east, where there is a "significant ethnic russian population"?

retain full control of the Dniper reservoirs, because controlling those reservoirs undoubtedly controls the agriculture of much of Ukraine. So Russian control of try Dniper river and its reservoirs ensures, from Russian perspective, permanent good,

From everybody elses perspective its a naked land grab. Ymmv
I noticed you still havent answered if we may grab: Silesia, Eastern Prussia, Memelland, Pomerania, etc...and of course Danzig above all.

Russian friendly future behavior of the part of Ukraine that is not under Russian control.

That has not been invaded in breach of international law? Yes, sure

[Anomalocaris]

You continue to conflate what would be nice or not nice, de jure, and what would be wise or not wise, de facto.

De jure assessment has limited ability to affect very influential factor of reality.   The more influential, the less the ability.

[Deesse23]

You continue to conflate what would be nice or not de jure and what would be wise or not wise de facto.

I conflated nothing. Nice doge/deflect. I corrected your blatant mistakes, the ones you made in order to apologize a tyrant.
Care to defend your factually wrong claims about ethnicity and language in the country of Ukraine?

[Anomalocaris]

You continue to conflate what would be nice or not de jure and what would be wise or not wise de facto.

I conflated nothing. Nice doge/deflect. I corrected your blatant mistakes, the ones you made in order to apologize a tyrant.
Care to defend your factually wrong claims about ethnicity and language in the country of Ukraine?

1.  I don’t think it was factually wrong.   

2.  Even if you can quibble on some aspect, it does nothing because the main thesis of what I said doesn’t depend on it being exactly right.

Quibbling about minutiae with idiotic legalist thrusts that does not address the fundamental issue is what got the situation in Ukraine to this stage in the first place.   

You just showed with your approach why you are incapable of seeing it or appreciate how serious problems really need to be solved if force were not to be used.

[Deesse23]

I conflated nothing. Nice doge/deflect. I corrected your blatant mistakes, the ones you made in order to apologize a tyrant.
Care to defend your factually wrong claims about ethnicity and language in the country of Ukraine?

1.  I don’t think it was factually wrong.   

Facts dont care what you think. I presented facts, you presented what you thought.

2.  Even if you can quibble on some aspect, it does nothing because the main thesis of what I said doesn’t depend on it being exactly right.

You dont have to be right about language and ethnicity in order to be right?
I disagree

Quibbling about minutiae with idiotic legalist thrusts that does not address the fundamental issue is what got the situation in Ukraine to this stage in the first place.  

Language and ethnicy is now "minutiae"? Wasnt your entire scenario based on this? 

You just showed with your approach why you are incapable of seeing it or appreciate how serious problems really need to be solved if force were not to be used.

Personal attacks instead of arguments
Game over
Insert new player

[Anomalocaris]

1.  I don’t think it was factually wrong.   

Facts dont care what you think. I presented facts, you presented what you thought.

2.  Even if you can quibble on some aspect, it does nothing because the main thesis of what I said doesn’t depend on it being exactly right.

You dont have to be right about language and ethnicity in order to be right?
I disagree

Quibbling about minutiae with idiotic legalist thrusts that does not address the fundamental issue is what got the situation in Ukraine to this stage in the first place.  

Language and ethnicy is now "minutiae"? Wasnt your entire scenario based on this? 

You just showed with your approach why you are incapable of seeing it or appreciate how serious problems really need to be solved if force were not to be used.

Personal attacks instead of arguments
Game over
Insert new player

it must feel very nice to be so self righteous.

[arewethereyet]

Facts dont care what you think. I presented facts, you presented what you thought.


You dont have to be right about language and ethnicity in order to be right?
I disagree

Language and ethnicy is now "minutiae"? Wasnt your entire scenario based on this? 

Personal attacks instead of arguments
Game over
Insert new player

it must feel very nice to be so self righteous.

Pot meet kettle.

[Deesse23]

i must feel very nice to be so self righteous.

I corrected your mistakes about language and ethnicity.

[Anomalocaris]

i must feel very nice to be so self righteous.

I corrected your mistakes about language and ethnicity.

the magnitude of correction, even if warranted, does not affect the thesis in the slightest.

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it must feel very nice to be so self righteous.

Pot meet kettle.

that actually is an extraordinarily appropriate analogy for the histrionic US indignation at Russian invasion of Ukraine.

we, who bullshitted some excuse in order to invade a country half a world away so we can assert hegemony over a region half a world away,  calling black someone else who has very real and weighty existential security concerns stemming from the intercourse, take it however you like to, between its neighbor and us,  which we would not allow to be address in any manner or by any other means but an armed invasion of the neighbor.

[The Architect Of Fate]

And now deranged whataboutisms