Russia and Ukraine

[Rev. Rye]

And if that actually read as a joke, that objection might have actually meant something.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Putin has placed Sergey Beseda, head of the FSB's Foreign Intelligence Directorate, under house arrest for failing to warn him that the invasion of Ukraine would be met with stiff resistance.

This is the trouble working for a dictator - if you disagree with him, you get thrown in jail. If you agree with him and he's wrong, you get thrown in jail.

Note: Please read 'placed under house arrest' and 'thrown in jail' as 'probably already dead'.

Boru

[WinterHold]

People..

China and Russia's alliance is becoming more clear for the eyes.
Gog and Magog..

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Lessons:

1-Never become allies with the West or Gog and Magog (i.e Russia+China); they will backstab you -especially the west-.
2-Gog and Magog are destructive just like the west. But my knowledge about their history tells me they can be far,far,far more destructive.

Putin is occupying nuclear plants and research facilities in Ukraine. and the west already said officially that he is trying to start WW3.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

People..

China and Russia's alliance is becoming more clear for the eyes.
Gog and Magog..

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Lessons:

1-Never become allies with the West or Gog and Magog (i.e Russia+China); they will backstab you -especially the west-.
2-Gog and Magog are destructive just like the west. But my knowledge about their history tells me they can be far,far,far more destructive.

Putin is occupying nuclear plants and research facilities in Ukraine. and the west already said officially that he is trying to start WW3.

I admire the way you oh so conveniently shift the identities of Gog and Magog depending on whatever happens to be uppermost in the current news cycle. You display the sort of flexible thinking most of us can only aspire to.

Boru

[arewethereyet]

People..

China and Russia's alliance is becoming more clear for the eyes.
Gog and Magog..

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Lessons:

1-Never become allies with the West or Gog and Magog (i.e Russia+China); they will backstab you -especially the west-.
2-Gog and Magog are destructive just like the west. But my knowledge about their history tells me they can be far,far,far more destructive.

Putin is occupying nuclear plants and research facilities in Ukraine. and the west already said officially that he is trying to start WW3.

I admire the way you oh so conveniently shift the identities of Gog and Magog depending on whatever happens to be uppermost in the current news cycle. You display the sort of flexible thinking most of us can only aspire to.

Boru

Yeah, I am having a hard time keeping up with who/what is Gog and who/what is Magog.  Seems that any way the wind blows...

[Deesse23]

People..

China and Russia's alliance is becoming more clear for the eyes.
Gog and Magog..

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Lessons:

1-Never become allies with the West or Gog and Magog (i.e Russia+China); they will backstab you -especially the west-.
2-Gog and Magog are destructive just like the west. But my knowledge about their history tells me they can be far,far,far more destructive.

Putin is occupying nuclear plants and research facilities in Ukraine. and the west already said officially that he is trying to start WW3.

And i thought "the west" was Gog and Magog

[onlinebiker]

Gog and Magog = the 250 b.c. version of Tweedledee and Tweedledum. A simple invention for the amusement of simple minds......

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Russia’s biggest logistics problem isn’t equipment, it isn’t food, it isn’t medical supplies, and it isn’t fuel. It’s troops.

The RAND Corporation - who are really, REALLY good at this sort of modeling - has said it takes 20 soldiers of an occupying force per 1000 population of the occupied country to hold it in the face of minimal resistance (the number increases exponentially in the face of moderate or heavy resistance). Right now, Russia is at about a quarter of that.

Putin would need at least 800 000 combat troops to secure Ukraine. He doesn’t have them and he can’t get them without sparking a revolution at home. He’s fucked.

Boru

[Angrboda]

Russia’s biggest logistics problem isn’t equipment, it isn’t food, it isn’t medical supplies, and it isn’t fuel. It’s troops.

The RAND Corporation - who are really, REALLY good at this sort of modeling - has said it takes 20 soldiers of an occupying force per 1000 population of the occupied country to hold it in the face of minimal resistance (the number increases exponentially in the face of moderate or heavy resistance). Right now, Russia is at about a quarter of that.

Putin would need at least 800 000 combat troops to secure Ukraine. He doesn’t have them and he can’t get them without sparking a revolution at home. He’s fucked.

Boru

He doesn't really need to subdue Ukraine if he can subdue Kyiv and a couple of big cities. Regime change and occupation are different goals.

[Rev. Rye]

Technically different, but pretty closely related in practice, especially given that Putin’s stated goal is to absorb Ukraine into Russia.