Russia and Ukraine

[The Architect Of Fate]

Are you so dilusional that you think unchecked power by any cunning enough yo achieve that power could possibly lead to anything other than unchecked self aggrandizement at the expense of the rest of humanity?

Are you so delusional you think having two unchecked powers who will do all the same shit as the one and will be clever enough to get around each other's stalemate and drag countless other lesser powers down the shitter could possibly lead to anything other than unchecked self-aggrandizement at the expense of the rest of humanity?

[Anomalocaris]

Uhhh,  Two powers check each other and has to compete to be less unattractive to key third parties to avoid falling behind.

[The Architect Of Fate]

Yeah, stretch you mind a bit,  you have nothing but naivety, idiot complacency and moronic self righteousness to lose.

I would take your own advice. You have nothing to lose other than your idiotic delusions of Political Darwinism and your sad devotion to Bipolar Imperialism and your borderline Tankie Syndrome rhetoric.

[Anomalocaris]

Yeah, stretch you mind a bit,  you have nothing but idiot complacency and moronic self-righteousness to lose.

I would take my own advice. You have nothing to lose other than your idiotic delusions of Political Darwinism and your sad devotion to Bipolar Imperialism.

I am perfectly ok with tripolar, quadrupolar, or quintupolar imperialism as well.   If it weren’t for natural instability of too many poles and the consequences of such instability in a nuclear armed world, I would even be fine with quinquagintupolar imperialism.   I just don’t care at all for unipolar imperialism.  Darwinism is unavoidable.  Those who pretend they can avoid it are certain to be amongst the first ones to go extinct.   The key is to set the stage so natural behavior under Darwinism does some good for humanity overall.

[The Architect Of Fate]

Uhhh,  Two powers check each other and has to compete to be less unattractive to key third parties to avoid falling behind.

Lol no they won't instead they will do all the same shit they would do as a mono power just does in a way that doesn't overly antagonize the other power or in a way that makes stopping them more trouble than it's worth. Nor would they need to be attractive they simply need to bully the third party in a way that overly antagonizes the other power. There are no checks here it's just assholes carving up the world in their asshole spheres but making sure not to piss the other asshole off too much or making it so it's not worth a fight between the two of them. Tactical douchery isn't any better than ovart douchery.

[Anomalocaris]

Uhhh,  Two powers check each other and has to compete to be less unattractive to key third parties to avoid falling behind.

Lol no they won't instead they will do all the same shit they would do as a mono power just does in a way that doesn't overly antagonize the other power or in a way that makes stopping them more trouble than it's worth. Nor would they need to be attractive they simply need to bully the third party in a way that overly antagonizes the other power. There are no checks here it's just assholes carving up the world in their asshole spheres but making sure not to piss the other asshole off too much or making it so it's not worth a fight between the two of them. Tactical douchery isn't any better than ovart douchery.

Sure it is.   Do you think you would do better with bully who can beat you whenever he feels like to get you to do his bidding because you have nowhere to run, or one that can’t alway get away with it because he needs you and you can run, and the other bully can use your services too and are willing to offer you better terms to get your services?

[The Architect Of Fate]

am perfectly ok with tripolar, quadrupolar, or quintupolar imperialism as well.   If it weren’t for natural instability of too many poles and the consequences of such instability in a nuclear armed world, I would even be fine with quinquagintupolar imperialism.   I just don’t care at all for unipolar imperialism.  Darwinism is unavoidable.  Those who pretend they can avoid it are certain to be amongst the first ones to go extinct.   The key is to set the stage so natural behavior under Darwinism does some good for humanity overall.

Oh goody, so it's gone from douchebag checkers to douchebag Chinese checkers the only rule doesn't to get caught other players committing atrocities or make sure there is nothing they can do about it, and if all you care about is unipolar imperialism that's just shows how narrow your view is, And no Darwinism is avoidable we are not bound to it and no good comes of embracing it  

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Sure it is.   Do you think you would do better with bully who can beat you whenever he feels like to get you to do his bidding because you have nowhere to run, or one that can’t alway get away with it because he needs you and you can run, and the other bully can use your services too and are willing to offer you better terms to get your services?

No, it isn't. Do you think it's better to have two bullies who can beat you up whenever they feel like both are super clever at kicking the crap out of you when the other bully isn't looking or isn't in a position to confront the other bully? And bullies don't ask for or negotiate they take things by force they just have to make sure they don't get caught making you do their homework and that's what intimidation is for.

[arewethereyet]

So disappointed that this thread is going right down the crapper.

[HappySkeptic]

So disappointed that this thread is going right down the crapper.

So true.  There are actual news events going on in Ukraine - like civilian massacre (or is it all just crisis actors?  Putin learns from the U.S. Right).

[The Architect Of Fate]

So why aren't either of you covering them? Instead of criticizing Anomalocaris and myself for having an argument about foreign policy which I might add is central to this whole conflict.