Why does science always upstage God?

[The Grand Nudger]

It's weird, right? I don't think that any of those things came about on their own. There was no creation, there is no fine tuning, and life is a product of organic chemistry.

[zebo-the-fat]

Lets assume for the sake of argument that a suprenatural entity (call it a god if you want) created the big bang, who or what created that entity?

[Angrboda]

I should bring out my argument I ran against Kloro about a prior, uncreated universe creating the current, admittedly created one. But this guy is just pissing into a gale-force wind.

[Billy Bob]

"Given that there are terrestrial environs where humans can't survive (at least not without very special help), it's mighty hard to make the case that even the Earth  is finely tuned for human life."

Says the person who is alive on this earth.

They way you phrased that here, your reply implies that you're saying, "If we can live anywhere, on Earth then we can live everywhere on Earth." I'll assume you're not that obtuse to actually believe that. All he was saying that even for this planet, that we do live on, there are still lots of areas that will kill us.

"They way you phrased that here, your reply implies that you're saying, "If we can live anywhere, on Earth then we can live everywhere on Earth."'

I'm so sorry. I forget what mentality of people we are dealing with here. I need to explain we can't naturally live under water even though it's here on earth. We can't naturally live on a volcano eruption that is here on earth. We can't live naturally where there is no source of water or food. Sure, it was too much for you all to see what was meant. Darn, I need to see what IQ of the people I'm dealing with here. Such as yours and another's who wrote...

"If a supernatural being fine-tuned the universe for human life, why can't I survive in a geothermal vent, or under six tonnes of gravel?"

I can't make this stupidity up. I actually need to write down ALL the places we can't survive in and tell the places we do survive in. Not just that, I need to show that what we have today ON earth is not the same from the past. Yet somehow you think you're so clever. Maybe to you that's true, but not to me. Go naturally live anywhere on the moon, or on the sun. You can't, but we need them to make life available here on earth. That though is too hard for people like you and Brian. You're tiny brains can't grasp such things.

[Fake Messiah]

Go naturally live anywhere on the moon, or on the sun. You can't, but we need them to make life available here on earth. That though is too hard for people like you and Brian. You're tiny brains can't grasp such things.

Billy, for someone who accused others of ignoring, you sure ignore a lot of stuff. Like, do we need millions and millions of galaxies, killer asteroids, and killer radiations to exist? - no. So it seems that we, as a life, are pretty insignificant to conclude that everything was fine-tuned with us in mind.

[Billy Bob]

I'm not the one ignorant on the 1st and 2nd laws I gave. None of you have shown how that's ignorant so you give the lame excuse we don't know as you want to ignore what we know. None of you will be honest and just admit, going by what we know, creation had to be supernatural. You are doing the spoiled brat dance to avoid that. I'm just having fun seeing all your dancing around avoiding that clear fact.

I ignored nothing buddy just nothing you said really matters and the rest of this little temper tantrum can safely be dismissed. You have not established a need for the supernatural let alone a god. The only one who has been dancing around is you doing the same tired two-step as every other desperate god botherer who's come here has. You are not special lamb chop you are just another name no one here will remember in two weeks till you come back with another sock account 


When you get around to demonstrating that rules that currently apply to things within the universe must apply to before or to the formation of the universe without running afoul of a composition fallacy come back and try again. Also, no one needs to demonstrate the contrary. Also, natural events don't need to  follow the current laws of physics to be natural. 

"You have not established a need for the supernatural let alone a god."

Sure I did, you just lied and said I didn't.

"The only one who has been dancing around is you doing the same tired two-step as every other desperate god botherer who's come here has."

Another lie from you. Nothing new, it's a tactic used by many of you. I gave straight forward science only fools doubt and guess who doubts them but has no science to doubt them? Yes, YOUR side. Let's see what other lies you have.

"When you get around to demonstrating that rules that currently apply to things within the universe must apply to before or to the formation of the universe without running afoul of a composition fallacy come back and try again."

You are just another person who can't read, think, or be honest. I made it clear creation had to be supernatural. I never said the laws applied from the start when they could not have. Duh, I don't know how to make that clearer to your small brain. Now try to think even though that's hard for you.....YOU believe this all happened naturally so YOU need to show that in this natural universe that we now have, there was a time creation happened naturally or always existed that the laws I gave did not apply. Science does not show that. Science shows they always had to apply in our natural realm That is too much honesty though for you liars to accept. The cry all you want, you have NO science to back you up. So don't go whining how science upstages God when you jokes don't even follow science. 

"Also, natural events don't need to  follow the current laws of physics to be natural.  "

Tiny brain person, if the laws of physics don't apply to a natural event, that event then is supernatural. I actually needed to explain that to you. Here's an example for your tiny brain, if a perpetual motion machine was invented, that would break the 2LT and be considered something beyond natural. Beyond natural is supernatural. 

And the big laugh again is, you're just another tiny brain who thinks science upstages God and you don't even know science and when I put science in front of you all, all I get is we don't know. You all don't know because you refuse to know what science really is.

[Billy Bob]

Long live Zeus!

He was around longer than the new kid on the block and you know what Bob?
Fuckall has changed when he was "the" God to a now forgotten relic.

At least all 4,000 Gods have one thing in common. Their interactions with this universe is completely indistinguishable whether they exist or not.
But don't let that dissuade you Bob. Times are tough and getting tougher, we all need a crutch to rely on. God isn't real, but the benefit you get from having false hope
IS real. Don't change one bit. Just don't waste OUR time with your bullshit. Pretty please.

Hey, "ignoramus," I was looking through your BS, I mean, reply. I gave evidence that creation can't happen naturally and that it took a supernatural creator. Do copy and paste from your reply how you got around those laws. I can't find such a thing so unless you can do that, it is YOU that is wasting time and too afraid to actually give evidence to prove me wrong but you'd rather fill in space that has nothing. No surprise there, really. You're just another joke pretending to follow science and believe the science you can't give somehow upstages God, which is the topic.

[Billy Bob]

The fact that we don't know (yet) exactly how the universe was created does not mean a god did it

WOW! That was the science that upstages God! Did you hear that folks?! We don't know is the science that upstages God! Of course, they ignore what we know about science but they are too dishonest to admit that so they can pretend to follow science. How 'clever.'

[Billy Bob]

"Then why do you come here if you consider a conversation with people here futile?"

Because it's fun showing what hypocrites you are regarding the topic. You fakes don't follow science.

There is nothing supernatural in science and no amount of insults you are pouring here will change that.

Another doofus reply...

"There is nothing supernatural in science and no amount of insults you are pouring here will change that."

First off, they are not insults when correct titles are given along with the evidence to back that title up. 

Now, for low IQ you, the laws of nature apply to nature, what is natural. Are you with me so far? Take your time so you don't stress your brain. Ok, the laws of nature, which I gave a few, show 100% creation can't have happened naturally. Naturally lost 100%. You still with me? To spoiled brats though who want to pretend science upstages God, even when shown clearly naturally lost 100%, naturally is still your winner. And how do you know that, you admit you don't know. You ignore what we know in exchange for we don't know. This is the mentality of people I'm dealing with here. It's all rather humorous the irony of the title of this topic.

[Billy Bob]

 


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